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**Assauraarguck** · 10-06-2010, 12:37 AM

That's not only thinkable, but true. Nevertheless, he has done nothing to impress. A team's performance is most often an indicator of the drivers they employ. A real talented driver can elevate and motivate an entire team even when their car is originally inferior (a la Alonso and Kubica at Renault, Vettel at STR, etc.) and create a lot of momentum and buzz, which then attracts more sponsors, engineering talent, etc. A Buemi/Alguersuari line-up has none such momentum or buzz, they have gone stale as a driver combo and aren't going anywhere, despite occasional decent performances. Time for some fresh faces.

I agree with you - especially if you think of Kobayashi at Sauber (a less experienced driver, in a car on par [or certainly not much better than] with STR). And they have less resources at Sauber too. OK, so the Hulk and Kobay have been a little over-exuberant but that's to be expected from rookies. Algae doesn't seem to me as a mature driver - more like a driver that is well within his limits and not making any visible improvement over time. Yes he's young. But that shouldn't be an excuse.

**Jeaxatoem** · 10-06-2010, 12:42 AM

A team's performance is most often an indicator of the drivers they employ. A real talented driver can elevate and motivate an entire team even when their car is originally inferior (a la Alonso and Kubica at Renault, Vettel at STR, etc.) and create a lot of momentum and buzz, which then attracts more sponsors, engineering talent, etc.

I think you're stretching things quite a bit there. This years car is the first that STR have had to design and build themselves (admitedly very heavily based on last years RB5/STR04) since the Minardi PS05, thats a long time for the design office to sit largely unused. Making comparisons to Vettel in 2008 is a bit pointless as the car then was a very good piece of kit and Ascanelli made some very smart calls on what updates to take from Red Bull and which ones to leave behind. You point to the efforts of Vettel, Alonso and Kubica, but neglect to mention that all of them had an experienced team mate to learn from (Heidfeld, Trulli and Heidfeld again respectively) and all made their debut's back when testing was unrestricted and had covered 10's of thousends of miles in testing. OK, its a bit more complicated with Alonso because of that first year with Minardi, but the competition wasnt remotely as strong back then anyway and he spent a year as Renault's test driver before racing for them.

I dont think Buemi is going to be a race winner, but I didn't think that much of him in the junior formules either. As for Alguersuari, his first time in an F1 car was practice in Hungary last year and a lot of his winter testing was done in the wet. His race pace is also very good but he does struggle with the front tires in qualy (so do a lot of drivers).

**Jeaxatoem** · 10-06-2010, 12:45 AM

I agree with you - especially if you think of Kobayashi at Sauber (a less experienced driver, in a car on par [or certainly not much better than] with STR). And they have less resources at Sauber too. OK, so the Hulk and Kobay have been a little over-exuberant but that's to be expected from rookies. Algae doesn't seem to me as a mature driver - more like a driver that is well within his limits and not making any visible improvement over time. Yes he's young. But that shouldn't be an excuse.

Kobayashi had years as a Toyota test driver before his debut so is considerably more experienced than Jaime at driving an F1 car and Sauber have fantastic technical resources, if not financial.

**GotActichwicy** · 10-06-2010, 01:40 AM

Sorry, but I am still not impressed. After 32 and 23 races each, respectively, it's time to perform. Enough "settling in and learning". Drive the car... fast. Score. At least make someone notice you exist. Guys like Webber and Alonso used to turn heads in a Minardi, which was the backmarker tream at the time, too.

Buemi was also a test driver in 2008, so he had plenty of mileage.

Toro Rosso knew it was coming, and had plenty of time to build a better car with plenty of Red Bull's financial resources. Without bright talents to develop their car and create some momentum for the team, however, they have stagnated badly and basically returned "Minardi" to where they started - at the back of the grid (never mind the heavily bleeding new teams).

And I don't buy the front tires excuse, either. That seems to be the latest convenient scape goat for drivers who aren't up to par, with Mikey S. being the poster boy!

**mpzoFeJs** · 10-06-2010, 02:27 AM

Algae doesn't seem to me as a mature driver - more like a driver that is well within his limits and not making any visible improvement over time. Yes he's young. But that shouldn't be an excuse.

I may understand the sentiments of a few people here that the current STR pair may not have a long future in F1 and are just waiting until their days in F1 are numbered (especially Buemi), but in no way can I agree that Alguersuari hasn't made any visible improvements. I'm afraid he simply isn't followed with enough attention.

When Jaime joined F1, he was horrible in qualifying, he got trashed by Buemi in the beginning of 2010 too. But lately he has been qualifying very well (11th at Singapore and was a full second per lap faster than Buemi at Spa!). Also recall Jaime's race at Singapore from 2009 - this guy was lapping 2 secs per lap slower than his team-mate, sliding all over the place, and holding basically everyone up. This year the same man was completely different - impressive pace and without unluck and car problems would have definitely scored points.

Doesn't seem mature? He managed to keep Schumacher at bay for 30 odd laps at Melbourne, in other races has put in some nice overtaking moves. Compare that to Hülkenberg, who keeps missing chicanes, when he is being threatened from behind. I remember Jaime racing quite aggressively at Spa - that's why he finally lost his hard-earned point due to time-penalty.

Sorry, but I am still not impressed. After 32 and 23 races each, respectively, it's time to perform. Enough "settling in and learning". Drive the car... fast. Score. At least make someone notice you exist.

Jaime has settled in, is indeed performing and improving on a consistent basis. Just pay attention, nothing else.

I would agree that Buemi has kinda stagnated though - he got some points in early-09 and managed to beat Bourdais, but hasn't managed to build on it.

**verybigf** · 10-06-2010, 05:23 AM

http://community.redbullracing.com/u...torsportcomGMM

Sebastien Buemi has admitted he is happy to spend another season at Toro Rosso in order to convince Red Bull that he should be paired with Sebastian Vettel in 2012. http://www.crash.net/f1/news/161563/..._for_2011.html
Buemi 'has a special place' on Renault F1 wish list for 2011

to me it would make more more sense for him to spend a year at renault f1 or lotus
http://www.sports.ie/20101005344219/...gy-partnership
Lotus Racing has today announced that the team has agreed a deal with Red Bull Technology for the supply of gearboxes and hydraulic systems from the 2011 season and beyond

**GotActichwicy** · 10-06-2010, 07:38 AM

Doesn't seem mature? He managed to keep Schumacher at bay for 30 odd laps at Melbourne, in other races has put in some nice overtaking moves. Compare that to Hülkenberg, who keeps missing chicanes, when he is being threatened from behind. I remember Jaime racing quite aggressively at Spa - that's why he finally lost his hard-earned point due to time-penalty.

These days, even I could hold Schumacher at bay

OK, I do agree that he has shown improvement, that is true. I just don't think that it's quite enough still, and that Ricciardo for example has petter overall potential.

But if you'll agree on that Buemi has stagnated, then I would say what Algaeboy needs is to clearly beat his stagnated team mate, clearly outscore and outperform him the rest of the season, and maybe we can talk. I just feel that at least one of the 2 needs to vacate a seat at the end of the year.

**Kneeniasy** · 10-06-2010, 10:16 AM

Now here's an interesting little article that popped up in Turun Sanomat today about Kimi's F1 2011 intentions: http://www.ts.fi/f1/uutiset/164335.html [in the original Finnish]

You can see the English translated article over here: http://grandprixgirlsf1-en.blogspot....s-milking.html

For the juiciest quote:

"I am very disappointed in the way they have used my name in order to promote their own marketing. I have not at any stage considered seriously driving for Renault and I can assure you that I'm 100% sure that I will not drive in Renault next year, Räikkönen declares in his straightforward way."

**RichardHaads** · 10-06-2010, 10:52 AM

Now here's an interesting little article that popped up in Turun Sanomat today about Kimi's F1 2011 intentions: http://www.ts.fi/f1/uutiset/164335.html [in the original Finnish]

You can see the English translated article over here: http://grandprixgirlsf1-en.blogspot....s-milking.html

For the juiciest quote:

"I am very disappointed in the way they have used my name in order to promote their own marketing. I have not at any stage considered seriously driving for Renault and I can assure you that I'm 100% sure that I will not drive in Renault next year, Räikkönen declares in his straightforward way."

The reality is that he did contact them. I have seen this rehashed in the usual way as each F1 publication has to report it. And mind you I have no doubt that Renault F1 would use this for their own promotion. As I posted on another thread the official F1 web site (a legit source) just ran an interview with Eric Bollier in which he was asked this question, followed by his response:

Q: And there is still former world champion Kimi Raikkonen in the picture…
EB: He contacted us. But once again, our main issue at the moment is whether we should keep Petrov. Only if this question is negated we will look for replacement. Regarding Kimi, I would have to speak personally with him first, look him in the eyes to see if I see enough motivation there for him to return to Formula One. It doesn’t make sense to hire somebody - even a former world champion - if you cannot be sure that his motivation is still one hundred percent. Why should you invest in somebody who leaves you guessing? http://www.formula1.com/news/intervi.../10/11337.html

All Kimi had to do was deny any further intent!
I don't see him being a victim here but I could be wrong.

**Dxwlxqvg** · 10-06-2010, 11:32 AM

i vote option #2

**GotActichwicy** · 10-06-2010, 07:55 PM

I think Kimi has egg on his face, as he probably thought Renault would bend over backwards for him to drive there, and throw loads of money his way.

Now it turns out they don't necessarily want him, and he's embarrassed in front of the world media, especially after yet another DNF in WRC.

After this, it's pretty safe to say we won't be seeing Kimi in F1 again.

**verybigf** · 10-07-2010, 06:21 PM

http://en.espnf1.com/williams/motors...ory/30310.html
Hulkenberg future in doubt as sponsors leave Williams
an Italian newspaper is claiming Nico Hulkenberg's race seat is in doubt as the team faces losing as many as four sponsors over the winter.
Autosprint reports sponsors, including RBS and Philips, are prepared to walk away at the same time Hulkenberg's manager Willi Weber has approached Sir Frank Williams for a pay-rise for his client.

**klnbgqr** · 10-07-2010, 08:14 PM

http://en.espnf1.com/williams/motors...ory/30310.html
Hulkenberg future in doubt as sponsors leave Williams

I know of a certain driver on the hot-seat who prolly wouldn't mind taking his sponsors with him and learning some valuable lessons from Frank, Patrick, and Rubens.

**Assauraarguck** · 10-07-2010, 08:43 PM

I know of a certain driver on the hot-seat who prolly wouldn't mind taking his sponsors with him and learning some valuable lessons from Frank, Patrick, and Rubens.

Who?

**AlabamaBoyz** · 10-07-2010, 08:52 PM

http://en.espnf1.com/williams/motors...ory/30310.html
Hulkenberg future in doubt as sponsors leave Williams

Not a good move by Weber.

Hulkenberg isn't beating a 38-year old Rubens at all. He has nothing to negotiate a payrise with.

**GotActichwicy** · 10-07-2010, 11:00 PM

Not a good move by Weber.

Hulkenberg isn't beating a 38-year old Rubens at all. He has nothing to negotiate a payrise with.

Yeah, I too think that was the WRONG time to ask for a raise. Hülkenberg has had a couple decent races recently, but still has his work cut out to even prove he is worthy of keeping his seat, given that there are certainly other pretty good options out there for Williams.

**klnbgqr** · 10-07-2010, 11:11 PM

Who?

Petrov

Of course, his first choice would be to stay where he is.

**chuecfafresslds** · 10-09-2010, 12:36 AM

Silly season looks to be turning into boring season. Force India and Toro Rosso are keeping the same drivers, so looks like no room for di Resta.

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/...-2011-drivers/

Also, Trulli and Kovalainen seem to be staying at Lotus:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87248

**mpzoFeJs** · 10-09-2010, 01:12 AM

Would be surprising if Hülkenberg got replaced after all the time and effort Williams has been investing in him. Now the situation depends on, how tight is their financial situation?!

Would be harsh if Hulk lost the drive, there is clearly more to come from him and based on the career in junior categories there is clearly a fair amount of untapped potential left. But wonder, what could be his alternatives. Reserve driver at Mercedes? Actually wouldn't be that hopeless of a move - hopefully similarly to di Resta would get a few test days during the season to prove that he is worth getting promoted after Schumacher's retirement.

Oh... and I can't believe Force India is going to keep Liuzzi, especially as lately there was a news item at Autosport that di Resta is almost definetely moving up to a race driver role.

**Svatudjw** · 10-09-2010, 01:26 AM

I think Kimi has egg on his face, as he probably thought Renault would bend over backwards for him to drive there, and throw loads of money his way.

Now it turns out they don't necessarily want him, and he's embarrassed in front of the world media, especially after yet another DNF in WRC.

After this, it's pretty safe to say we won't be seeing Kimi in F1 again.

Dont' think so. He walked away from a McLaren offer, he is not going to drive for a team that's a regular point scorer at the most.

10-06-2010, 12:37 AM	#1
Assauraarguck Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 464 Senior Member	That's not only thinkable, but true. Nevertheless, he has done nothing to impress. A team's performance is most often an indicator of the drivers they employ. A real talented driver can elevate and motivate an entire team even when their car is originally inferior (a la Alonso and Kubica at Renault, Vettel at STR, etc.) and create a lot of momentum and buzz, which then attracts more sponsors, engineering talent, etc. A Buemi/Alguersuari line-up has none such momentum or buzz, they have gone stale as a driver combo and aren't going anywhere, despite occasional decent performances. Time for some fresh faces. I agree with you - especially if you think of Kobayashi at Sauber (a less experienced driver, in a car on par [or certainly not much better than] with STR). And they have less resources at Sauber too. OK, so the Hulk and Kobay have been a little over-exuberant but that's to be expected from rookies. Algae doesn't seem to me as a mature driver - more like a driver that is well within his limits and not making any visible improvement over time. Yes he's young. But that shouldn't be an excuse. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-06-2010, 12:42 AM	#2
Jeaxatoem Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 546 Senior Member	A team's performance is most often an indicator of the drivers they employ. A real talented driver can elevate and motivate an entire team even when their car is originally inferior (a la Alonso and Kubica at Renault, Vettel at STR, etc.) and create a lot of momentum and buzz, which then attracts more sponsors, engineering talent, etc. I think you're stretching things quite a bit there. This years car is the first that STR have had to design and build themselves (admitedly very heavily based on last years RB5/STR04) since the Minardi PS05, thats a long time for the design office to sit largely unused. Making comparisons to Vettel in 2008 is a bit pointless as the car then was a very good piece of kit and Ascanelli made some very smart calls on what updates to take from Red Bull and which ones to leave behind. You point to the efforts of Vettel, Alonso and Kubica, but neglect to mention that all of them had an experienced team mate to learn from (Heidfeld, Trulli and Heidfeld again respectively) and all made their debut's back when testing was unrestricted and had covered 10's of thousends of miles in testing. OK, its a bit more complicated with Alonso because of that first year with Minardi, but the competition wasnt remotely as strong back then anyway and he spent a year as Renault's test driver before racing for them. I dont think Buemi is going to be a race winner, but I didn't think that much of him in the junior formules either. As for Alguersuari, his first time in an F1 car was practice in Hungary last year and a lot of his winter testing was done in the wet. His race pace is also very good but he does struggle with the front tires in qualy (so do a lot of drivers). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-06-2010, 12:45 AM	#3
Jeaxatoem Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 546 Senior Member	I agree with you - especially if you think of Kobayashi at Sauber (a less experienced driver, in a car on par [or certainly not much better than] with STR). And they have less resources at Sauber too. OK, so the Hulk and Kobay have been a little over-exuberant but that's to be expected from rookies. Algae doesn't seem to me as a mature driver - more like a driver that is well within his limits and not making any visible improvement over time. Yes he's young. But that shouldn't be an excuse. Kobayashi had years as a Toyota test driver before his debut so is considerably more experienced than Jaime at driving an F1 car and Sauber have fantastic technical resources, if not financial. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-06-2010, 01:40 AM	#4
GotActichwicy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Sorry, but I am still not impressed. After 32 and 23 races each, respectively, it's time to perform. Enough "settling in and learning". Drive the car... fast. Score. At least make someone notice you exist. Guys like Webber and Alonso used to turn heads in a Minardi, which was the backmarker tream at the time, too. Buemi was also a test driver in 2008, so he had plenty of mileage. Toro Rosso knew it was coming, and had plenty of time to build a better car with plenty of Red Bull's financial resources. Without bright talents to develop their car and create some momentum for the team, however, they have stagnated badly and basically returned "Minardi" to where they started - at the back of the grid (never mind the heavily bleeding new teams). And I don't buy the front tires excuse, either. That seems to be the latest convenient scape goat for drivers who aren't up to par, with Mikey S. being the poster boy! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-06-2010, 02:27 AM	#5
mpzoFeJs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 520 Senior Member	Algae doesn't seem to me as a mature driver - more like a driver that is well within his limits and not making any visible improvement over time. Yes he's young. But that shouldn't be an excuse. I may understand the sentiments of a few people here that the current STR pair may not have a long future in F1 and are just waiting until their days in F1 are numbered (especially Buemi), but in no way can I agree that Alguersuari hasn't made any visible improvements. I'm afraid he simply isn't followed with enough attention. When Jaime joined F1, he was horrible in qualifying, he got trashed by Buemi in the beginning of 2010 too. But lately he has been qualifying very well (11th at Singapore and was a full second per lap faster than Buemi at Spa!). Also recall Jaime's race at Singapore from 2009 - this guy was lapping 2 secs per lap slower than his team-mate, sliding all over the place, and holding basically everyone up. This year the same man was completely different - impressive pace and without unluck and car problems would have definitely scored points. Doesn't seem mature? He managed to keep Schumacher at bay for 30 odd laps at Melbourne, in other races has put in some nice overtaking moves. Compare that to Hülkenberg, who keeps missing chicanes, when he is being threatened from behind. I remember Jaime racing quite aggressively at Spa - that's why he finally lost his hard-earned point due to time-penalty. Sorry, but I am still not impressed. After 32 and 23 races each, respectively, it's time to perform. Enough "settling in and learning". Drive the car... fast. Score. At least make someone notice you exist. Jaime has settled in, is indeed performing and improving on a consistent basis. Just pay attention, nothing else. I would agree that Buemi has kinda stagnated though - he got some points in early-09 and managed to beat Bourdais, but hasn't managed to build on it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-06-2010, 05:23 AM	#6
verybigf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 572 Senior Member	http://community.redbullracing.com/u...torsportcomGMM Sebastien Buemi has admitted he is happy to spend another season at Toro Rosso in order to convince Red Bull that he should be paired with Sebastian Vettel in 2012. http://www.crash.net/f1/news/161563/..._for_2011.html Buemi 'has a special place' on Renault F1 wish list for 2011 to me it would make more more sense for him to spend a year at renault f1 or lotus http://www.sports.ie/20101005344219/...gy-partnership Lotus Racing has today announced that the team has agreed a deal with Red Bull Technology for the supply of gearboxes and hydraulic systems from the 2011 season and beyond Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-06-2010, 07:38 AM	#7
GotActichwicy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Doesn't seem mature? He managed to keep Schumacher at bay for 30 odd laps at Melbourne, in other races has put in some nice overtaking moves. Compare that to Hülkenberg, who keeps missing chicanes, when he is being threatened from behind. I remember Jaime racing quite aggressively at Spa - that's why he finally lost his hard-earned point due to time-penalty. These days, even I could hold Schumacher at bay OK, I do agree that he has shown improvement, that is true. I just don't think that it's quite enough still, and that Ricciardo for example has petter overall potential. But if you'll agree on that Buemi has stagnated, then I would say what Algaeboy needs is to clearly beat his stagnated team mate, clearly outscore and outperform him the rest of the season, and maybe we can talk. I just feel that at least one of the 2 needs to vacate a seat at the end of the year. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-06-2010, 10:16 AM	#8
Kneeniasy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 435 Senior Member	Now here's an interesting little article that popped up in Turun Sanomat today about Kimi's F1 2011 intentions: http://www.ts.fi/f1/uutiset/164335.html [in the original Finnish] You can see the English translated article over here: http://grandprixgirlsf1-en.blogspot....s-milking.html For the juiciest quote: "I am very disappointed in the way they have used my name in order to promote their own marketing. I have not at any stage considered seriously driving for Renault and I can assure you that I'm 100% sure that I will not drive in Renault next year, Räikkönen declares in his straightforward way." Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-06-2010, 10:52 AM	#9
RichardHaads Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 528 Senior Member	Now here's an interesting little article that popped up in Turun Sanomat today about Kimi's F1 2011 intentions: http://www.ts.fi/f1/uutiset/164335.html [in the original Finnish] You can see the English translated article over here: http://grandprixgirlsf1-en.blogspot....s-milking.html For the juiciest quote: "I am very disappointed in the way they have used my name in order to promote their own marketing. I have not at any stage considered seriously driving for Renault and I can assure you that I'm 100% sure that I will not drive in Renault next year, Räikkönen declares in his straightforward way." The reality is that he did contact them. I have seen this rehashed in the usual way as each F1 publication has to report it. And mind you I have no doubt that Renault F1 would use this for their own promotion. As I posted on another thread the official F1 web site (a legit source) just ran an interview with Eric Bollier in which he was asked this question, followed by his response: Q: And there is still former world champion Kimi Raikkonen in the picture… EB: He contacted us. But once again, our main issue at the moment is whether we should keep Petrov. Only if this question is negated we will look for replacement. Regarding Kimi, I would have to speak personally with him first, look him in the eyes to see if I see enough motivation there for him to return to Formula One. It doesn’t make sense to hire somebody - even a former world champion - if you cannot be sure that his motivation is still one hundred percent. Why should you invest in somebody who leaves you guessing? http://www.formula1.com/news/intervi.../10/11337.html All Kimi had to do was deny any further intent! I don't see him being a victim here but I could be wrong. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-06-2010, 11:32 AM	#10
Dxwlxqvg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 404 Senior Member	i vote option #2 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-06-2010, 07:55 PM	#11
GotActichwicy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	I think Kimi has egg on his face, as he probably thought Renault would bend over backwards for him to drive there, and throw loads of money his way. Now it turns out they don't necessarily want him, and he's embarrassed in front of the world media, especially after yet another DNF in WRC. After this, it's pretty safe to say we won't be seeing Kimi in F1 again. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-07-2010, 06:21 PM	#12
verybigf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 572 Senior Member	http://en.espnf1.com/williams/motors...ory/30310.html Hulkenberg future in doubt as sponsors leave Williams an Italian newspaper is claiming Nico Hulkenberg's race seat is in doubt as the team faces losing as many as four sponsors over the winter. Autosprint reports sponsors, including RBS and Philips, are prepared to walk away at the same time Hulkenberg's manager Willi Weber has approached Sir Frank Williams for a pay-rise for his client. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-07-2010, 08:14 PM	#13
klnbgqr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 462 Senior Member	http://en.espnf1.com/williams/motors...ory/30310.html Hulkenberg future in doubt as sponsors leave Williams I know of a certain driver on the hot-seat who prolly wouldn't mind taking his sponsors with him and learning some valuable lessons from Frank, Patrick, and Rubens. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-07-2010, 08:43 PM	#14
Assauraarguck Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 464 Senior Member	I know of a certain driver on the hot-seat who prolly wouldn't mind taking his sponsors with him and learning some valuable lessons from Frank, Patrick, and Rubens. Who? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-07-2010, 08:52 PM	#15
AlabamaBoyz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 622 Senior Member	http://en.espnf1.com/williams/motors...ory/30310.html Hulkenberg future in doubt as sponsors leave Williams Not a good move by Weber. Hulkenberg isn't beating a 38-year old Rubens at all. He has nothing to negotiate a payrise with. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-07-2010, 11:00 PM	#16
GotActichwicy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Not a good move by Weber. Hulkenberg isn't beating a 38-year old Rubens at all. He has nothing to negotiate a payrise with. Yeah, I too think that was the WRONG time to ask for a raise. Hülkenberg has had a couple decent races recently, but still has his work cut out to even prove he is worthy of keeping his seat, given that there are certainly other pretty good options out there for Williams. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-07-2010, 11:11 PM	#17
klnbgqr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 462 Senior Member	Who? Petrov Of course, his first choice would be to stay where he is. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-09-2010, 12:36 AM	#18
chuecfafresslds Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 578 Senior Member	Silly season looks to be turning into boring season. Force India and Toro Rosso are keeping the same drivers, so looks like no room for di Resta. http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/...-2011-drivers/ Also, Trulli and Kovalainen seem to be staying at Lotus: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87248 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-09-2010, 01:12 AM	#19
mpzoFeJs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 520 Senior Member	Would be surprising if Hülkenberg got replaced after all the time and effort Williams has been investing in him. Now the situation depends on, how tight is their financial situation?! Would be harsh if Hulk lost the drive, there is clearly more to come from him and based on the career in junior categories there is clearly a fair amount of untapped potential left. But wonder, what could be his alternatives. Reserve driver at Mercedes? Actually wouldn't be that hopeless of a move - hopefully similarly to di Resta would get a few test days during the season to prove that he is worth getting promoted after Schumacher's retirement. Oh... and I can't believe Force India is going to keep Liuzzi, especially as lately there was a news item at Autosport that di Resta is almost definetely moving up to a race driver role. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-09-2010, 01:26 AM	#20
Svatudjw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 536 Senior Member	I think Kimi has egg on his face, as he probably thought Renault would bend over backwards for him to drive there, and throw loads of money his way. Now it turns out they don't necessarily want him, and he's embarrassed in front of the world media, especially after yet another DNF in WRC. After this, it's pretty safe to say we won't be seeing Kimi in F1 again. Dont' think so. He walked away from a McLaren offer, he is not going to drive for a team that's a regular point scorer at the most. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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