[Psymoussy]

The biggest question to be answered next week at Istanbul Park is whether Webber will continue to dominate his teammate?

That RBR has discovered a technical problem with Vettel's chassis and a brand new one will become his usual ride suggests that Vettel was out-engineered rather than out-driven recently in Spain and Monaco.

Perhaps a deal has already been done with RBR, perhaps not. And maybe Monaco was the end of the perfect storm for Webber and he should have agreed to a multi-year deal with Ferrari.

Realistically, Webber had to know that beating Vettel as he did was not a new trend but something that was happening for now.

Ferrari or Red Bull? Mark is in the twilight of his career at RBR - they like younger drivers and if the magic does not continue will become all shifty and grumpy.

I think the best act Mark could have done was secretly sign in Monaco for Ferrari and become the next Regazzoni.

I hope it continues in Turkey for Webber, but the Vettel chassis problem has cast doubt.

Its not the first time that doubters like myself have underestimated the Wallaby, and he is going to have to demonstrate it was not Luscious Liz that defeated her driver but his teammate.

Surely the lure of being a Ferrari driver, despite all the pressure of Italy that goes with it, is too strong to resist?

Once asked whether he regretted not signing for the mega succesful Williams but Ferrari in the early 90's, Alesi answered "no" because he became a Ferrari driver

[Xodvbooj]

We'll see I guess, but I'm not ready to put down Mark's recent performance over his team mate down to a "chassis" problem.

Whatever this mysterious problem is, it can't be that bad because Vettel has hardly been uncompetitive.

[JackTimQSR]

I'd take that "chassis fault" with a truck load of salt. This is after all the same car that the Vet has driven all season and he's hardly been slow. No, I think this "fault" is partially a way to help Vettel rationalise his recent performances a be able to say "it wasn't my fault".

Sebastian may well regain the initiative in Turkey, but it will have nothing to do with the new car and everything to do with being spurred on to beat his team mate - there could be fireworks!

Elsewhere on the grid I'm looking forward to see if Massa can unseat Alonso on a track he loves.

[investmentonlinev2006x]

there can be many things that will upset the balance of a race car. Perhaps the chassis has a small crack somewhere which allows flexing. The car should be better in the wet and unbalanced in the dry. It is pretty amazing what the smallest imperfection can do. But with that being said, it appears that webber still has some in the tank. This should be very interesting.

And I will be surprised if Massa can unseat Alonso.
I expect Nico to regain his form over the cheater

[LianneForbess]

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/0...te-than-never/
The team said this week that it found some damage on Vettel’s chassis after Monaco, which possibly accounts for him not being on Webber’s pace in the last two races. It must have been subtle damage as Vettel managed to set the fastest lap in the closing stages of the Monaco race.

But psychologically for the team the new chassis is a page turner; there had to be some other reason why he was being beaten by the other guy and now the pressure is really on Vettel to regain the initiative. Sums it up really. Although with or without the new chassis there would be no great surprise if Vettel is faster than Webber in Turkey. On any given weekend both of them are capable of handing it to the other driver.

[somozasayre]

Not a word about poor Bunsen
Anyone have the weather forecast?

[foltdan]

Not a word about poor Bunsen
Anyone have the weather forecast?

Warm and dry, by the looks of it

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/05/2...ted-in-turkey/

[GitaraMoya]

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/0...te-than-never/


Sums it up really. Although with or without the new chassis there would be no great surprise if Vettel is faster than Webber in Turkey. On any given weekend both of them are capable of handing it to the other driver.

As much as I would like to see Kettel dominated by Webbo' There is in my opinion validity to this report.
However I think it is bad form to make public statements about it.
It would seem to me that it would be in RBR best interest to just change the chassis and get on with it. Is Fettel's ego so fragile that the team has to make sure the public knows their #1 has a good excuse for his teammate giving him a couple of beat-downs in a row? This sounds like the ridiculous utterances' that Bernie likes to make.

At any rate it feeds the trolls, and we don't need hungry trolls menacing the perfectly logical discussions that this forum is endowed with

[Psymoussy]

Not a word about poor Bunsen
Anyone have the weather forecast?

The focus in racing has moved from Jense-Lewis to Webber-Vettel - were his ace performances really the result of his being "woken-up" [hence the surprise in pitlane with people asking what he had "eaten or drank"] or now as it could be a significant "out-engineering" due to betrayal of Vettel by "Luscious Liz".

Sebastian IS the noted grand prix winner of the two and has always been viewed as the driver RBR looks to as its world champion to be. However neither driver has exhibited the consistency required to achieve that, yet.

Vettel can be forgiven because he is still inexperienced to some degree - but Webber has been around for a long time and he knows this is his best opportunity. If he moved to Ferrari it would be most improbable with Alonso around.

Last year in Turkey, Vettel won pole and Webber was fourth - they both go well at that track.

The question of the coming weekend will be: is Webber going to beat Vettel for a THIRD grand prix and have an answer to whatever the German does?

A new chassis for Vettel - he is consistently quicker - or beats the Australian by a wide margin for pole, and Webber's stock will plummet. The talk will be that it was much more out-engineering than any out-driving that had Vettel beaten.

[Psymoussy]

As much as I would like to see Kettel dominated by Webbo' There is in my opinion validity to this report.
However I think it is bad form to make public statements about it.
It would seem to me that it would be in RBR best interest to just change the chassis and get on with it. Is Fettel's ego so fragile that the team has to make sure the public knows their #1 has a good excuse for his teammate giving him a couple of beat-downs in a row? This sounds like the ridiculous utterances' that Bernie likes to make.

At any rate it feeds the trolls, and we don't need hungry trolls menacing the perfectly logical discussions that this forum is endowed with

You really believe that RBR would spin a lie? Saying it MAY be a damaged chassis and then actually declaring it so and providing another chassis for Vettel is something entirely different.

And why not be open about it? If it was the case then Vettel's reputation is undamaged, if it is the case and Webber continues to beat him, it will be an amazing boost to the rating of Webber.

And it makes it the STORY of the Turkish weekend. Qualifying is going to be a real cracker.

[GitaraMoya]

And it makes it the STORY of the Turkish weekend. Qualifying is going to be a real cracker.

Hey Bernie change your screen name your confuusing me
Some of us just like to watch the racing!
Some of us are legitamatly interested in the competition.
Some of us don't give a r@t's @$$ about the tabloid aspect if the show!
Something you will never understand, and regrettably it is our loss.
It's a good thing I don't have to buy in on any of that B.S.

[Psymoussy]

Hey Bernie change your screen name your confuusing me
Some of us just like to watch the racing!
Some of us are legitamatly interested in the competition.
Some of us don't give a r@t's @$$ about the tabloid aspect if the show!
Something you will never understand, and regrettably it is our loss.
It's a good thing I don't have to buy in on any of that B.S.

Before anyone races, they are required to qualify.

The driver that usually qualifies quicker than their teammate is considered the quicker driver.

The driver in front of another driver has an advantage at the start.

If it is so unimportant to you why did you respond, and in a very amateurish disrepectful way I might add, to my post?

In future, if you do post, we will not expect you to make any comment on qualifying either, seeing that it is irrelevant to you.

Lastly, maybe you have witnessed just how excited the pole winning driver is compared to his teammate who qualifies second.

Contrary to your view, to those who love motor racing including the racing teams and the drivers, qualifying is indeed extremely important for its own sake and the race.

[GitaraMoya]

Before anyone races, they are required to qualify.

The driver that usually qualifies quicker than their teammate is considered the quicker driver.

The driver in front of another driver has an advantage at the start.

If it is so unimportant to you why did you respond, and in a very amateurish disrepectful way I might add, to my post?

In future, if you do post, we will not expect you to make any comment on qualifying either, seeing that it is irrelevant to you.

Lastly, maybe you have witnessed just how excited the pole winning driver is compared to his teammate who qualifies second.

Contrary to your view, to those who love motor racing including the racing teams and the drivers, qualifying is indeed extremely important for its own sake and the race.

And that has what to do with anything I posted?
I love the smell of sour grapes in the morning!
It smells like victory!

BTW I consider quali part of the competition Bernie!

[Psymoussy]

This is another track that Massa flies at when he has a good car and it has to be the race he begins to answer the challenge of Alonso.

Three pole positions and three wins in succession - this is another great story alongside the RBR one.

And in 2006 Felipe was so very ecstatic when he won pole because it was his first.

And what better way to answer Ferrari if he trumps Alonso and as I expect, Vettel beats Webber.

[warrgazur]

As much as I would like to see Kettel dominated by Webbo' There is in my opinion validity to this report.
However I think it is bad form to make public statements about it.
It would seem to me that it would be in RBR best interest to just change the chassis and get on with it. Is Fettel's ego so fragile that the team has to make sure the public knows their #1 has a good excuse for his teammate giving him a couple of beat-downs in a row? This sounds like the ridiculous utterances' that Bernie likes to make.

At any rate it feeds the trolls, and we don't need hungry trolls menacing the perfectly logical discussions that this forum is endowed with

Sometimes it does make you wonder what the PR people are thinking. They could have just fixed the chassis and gone from there. If Vettel once again started beating Mark, they could then explain the problem to save face for Webber.

As it stands now if Vettel doens't do better than Webber everyone will think he is a loser being outraced, and the excuses were already used up.

[GitaraMoya]

Sometimes it does make you wonder what the PR people are thinking. They could have just fixed the chassis and gone from there. If Vettel once again started beating Mark, they could then explain the problem to save face for Webber.

As it stands now if Vettel doens't do better than Webber everyone will think he is a loser being outraced, and the excuses were already used up.

Bingo!

[Psymoussy]

Vettel with a fully functioning chassis is going to be in a mindset to take no prisioners.

I expect him to dominate this comiing weekend.

[Henldyhl]

Vettel with a fully functioning chassis is going to be in a mindset to take no prisioners.

I expect him to dominate this comiing weekend.

Agreed, this is very likely.

[Savviioor]

We'll see. I am not sure that his car was so damaged. IMO he was genuinely beaten by Webber and I think that Mark can strike again.

[DrCeshing]

I expect Nico to regain his form over the cheater

Looks like most of the haters are out of the bushes again!