[usacomm]

"When I was the championship leader in 2008, they helped Heidfeld to make up his gap rather than concentrate on me. It was amateurish.

"I knew I had to leave as soon as I could," admitted Kubica. f1complete.com

[standaman]

Well well, I was wondering how long before he starts to bash the team who gave him his chance to get into F1.

[usacomm]

He started to bash them when he was their driver.

[JackTimQSR]

I don't like to criticise drivers too much, but I have found Kubica's recent comments rather odd. He's also said something along the lines that he enjoys fighting for points with Renault more than fighting for wins with BMW, if I understood it correctly.

[Goksiodiffeli]

Well well, I was wondering how long before he starts to bash the team who gave him his chance to get into F1.

But you would have to agree that BMW should have concentrated their efforts on Kubica and not on Heidfeld in 2008?

[standaman]

But you would have to agree that BMW should have concentrated their efforts on Kubica and not on Heidfeld in 2008?

They arranged for him to get their and his only F1 win to date, so I fail to see where weren't they fair to him?! What was he expecting?
Have BMW buy him the WDC on a gold plate?

[Goksiodiffeli]

They arranged for him to get their and his only F1 win to date, so I fail to see where weren't they fair to him?! What was he expecting?
Have BMW buy him the WDC on a gold plate?

He would have expected BMW to concentrate the resources on him rather than on Heidfeld who was struggling so much.
It is also so that BMW concentrated too much on 2009, thereby hurting the progress of their 2008 car.
Kubica deserved the Canada win, he was better than Heidfeld. Simple as that.

[8Zgkdeee]

Kubica is just whingey. He's always moaning, and never happy with anything. I guarantee that in 2 years time he'll be moaning that his Renault wasn't competitive or that his wing mirrors were 2g too heavy so he couldn't drive the car. I'd hate to have him in my team if I was an F1 boss.

As for Canada 2008, we could argue all day. In my view, if BMW had treated them equally then Heidfeld would have won that race. Fair enough they wanted two different strategies to cover all bases but it seems unfair as Heidfeld was racing better in that particular race but was forced to let Bobby past.

[Goksiodiffeli]

As for Canada 2008, we could argue all day. In my view, if BMW had treated them equally then Heidfeld would have won that race. Fair enough they wanted two different strategies to cover all bases but it seems unfair as Heidfeld was racing better in that particular race but was forced to let Bobby past.

Racing better? Before the SC came (and due to the idiotic SC rules we had then), Heidfeld was 30 seconds behind Kubica. He had also qualified on the 10th position, while Kubica was 2nd.
The right man won, he was simply faster.

[8Zgkdeee]

Racing better may have been the wrong phrase. But in that race, Heidfeld was winning the race (fair and square in the rules) and would have done had he not let Kubica through. Possibly not faster, but it's not the fastest that always wins.

[Goksiodiffeli]

Racing better may have been the wrong phrase. But in that race, Heidfeld was winning the race (fair and square in the rules) and would have done had he not let Kubica through. Possibly not faster, but it's not the fastest that always wins.

The only reason why he was leading was because of the stupid SC rules.
I also maintain that he didnt let RK through, Kubica was simply faster at that point.

[8Zgkdeee]

Yes, he was only leading because of stupid rules, but he was leading and many wins for many top drivers come because of oddities in rules, or SC periods or other random events. Point is that he was leading.

BMW admitted they asked Heidfeld to let Bob past. Why would they lie? Bob even thanked Nick in a post-race interview for being a good team driver, while Nick looked very, very unhappy. Yes, Kubica was faster, but without letting Kubica past, Heidfeld would have won.

[Goksiodiffeli]

Yes, he was only leading because of stupid rules, but he was leading and many wins for many top drivers come because of oddities in rules, or SC periods or other random events. Point is that he was leading.

BMW admitted they asked Heidfeld to let Bob past.

Quotes?

[8Zgkdeee]

No quotes at the moment. I'll search out the old Autosport from that race which I kept and post some tomorrow if you are still interested.

[JackTimQSR]

He would have expected BMW to concentrate the resources on him rather than on Heidfeld who was struggling so much.
It is also so that BMW concentrated too much on 2009, thereby hurting the progress of their 2008 car.
Kubica deserved the Canada win, he was better than Heidfeld. Simple as that.

This is exactly my recollection of events, too. But I would never say that any winner of any race was undeserving of their victory, unless there was some genuine wrongdoing (i.e. technical infringements) attached.

[standaman]

He would have expected BMW to concentrate the resources on him rather than on Heidfeld who was struggling so much.

Other than Kubica who says that the team didn't concentrate on him?

Kubica deserved the Canada win, he was better than Heidfeld. Simple as that.

Sure that's why he needed the team to ask Heidfeld to let him by.

[jojocomok]

if thats how kubica, who was thiessen´s and rampf´s lovechild, says thanks imagine what jv who wasn`t even wanted to start the 2006 season with bmw thinks?

[Seerseraxlils]

Bashing Kubica now eh?

Same old message board whingers. You people are just never satisfied unless you are moaning and complaining and criticizing.

Better not otherwise Lewis will jump out of the screen and punch you! He is close friends with the Polish driver outside of the racetrack and rates him very highly. Apparently Ferrari do too.

But then what the hell does Lewis know compared to y'all?!

Have any of you ever done anything that actually requires risk or have you merely sat on your arses and been followers pointing viscious corrosive knarled fingers at those who do - the "bbt's"? [Rhetorical question for the uneducated and requires no answer.]

[detskpit]

Bashing Kubica now eh?

Same old message board whingers. You people are just never satisfied unless you are moaning and complaining and criticizing.

Better not otherwise Lewis will jump out of the screen and punch you! He is close friends with the Polish driver outside of the racetrack and rates him very highly. Apparently Ferrari do too.

But then what the hell does Lewis know compared to y'all?!

Have any of you ever done anything that actually requires risk or have you merely sat on your arses and been followers pointing viscious corrosive knarled fingers at those who do - the "bbt's"? [Rhetorical question for the uneducated and requires no answer.]

And what Lewis and the rest of your post have to do with this topic ? How many times do I have to ask to not to take threads off-topic ??? Haven't you read my last post on History Forum ?

[BariGrootrego]

exactly what i was thinking pino. what's lewis got to do with this?

anyway, I think Kubica has a right to have a go at BMW. He was in a position where he was leading the championship about half way through the season. If you are leading the championship at that point you are capable of being champion and should expect your team to fight for the championship and develop the car to make it suitable to do so.

BMW missed a major oppurtunity there IMO, whether BMW gave him his first win and firts gp start and all the rest of it. They decided to concentrate on 2009 instead, which we all know now to be a major mistake, as the car was a dog.

and ofcourse If in 2008 BMW had decided to commit to fighting for the championship with Kubica, or the 2009 car was actually competitive, we would probably see BMW still in F1, recession or no recession.

I'm not saying constantly moaning in the best way to go about things, but i think he has a right on the particular subject this time.