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Old 04-18-2010, 06:27 PM   #1
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I realize this is going to be hotly discussed, but surely Hamilton deserves some kind of real sanction for the way he treats other drivers.

He tried to overtake Vettel coming out of the pits in the pitlane. In the press conference he puts on his best "who me?" innocent face when asked about it, and tries some kind of "I didn't really know he was there" excuse.

He bumped Webber off before the re-start after the safety car.

And, he was given a warning for weaving in the last race. So if someone is given a warning and they continue to do what they're doing, they should be punished, right?
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:31 PM   #2
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He tried to overtake Vettel coming out of the pits in the pitlane. In the press conference he puts on his best "who me?" innocent face when asked about it, and tries some kind of "I didn't really know he was there" excuse.
Not really. I was blaming him too, but the replay clearly shows that he got released mere tenths after Vettel but got a shocking getaway, putting them side by side. With their tyres interlocking there was no way he could brake and get out of it. Vettel then attemped to push him into the mechanics' slow lane, Seb's wheels were almost over the white line at one point. It was a clumsy incident, but if anything it's Vettel who behaved worse.

He bumped Webber off before the re-start after the safety car. He slid. Unfortunate, but a racing incident and little more.

The only thing he did do wrong was the charade of temporarily "forgetting" the pitlane duel during thre press conference. That's the sort of thing which really doesn't endear him to anybody and makes a mockery of his apology after Australia last year.
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:35 PM   #3
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As above really..
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:37 PM   #4
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I didnt get the impression that he "forgot" but rather he is so agressive normally that he wouldnt have considered it an issue.
Infact I got the feeling that he thought they were on about his second stop at first the way he started to talk about being held and then picked up on what they were discussing.
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:38 PM   #5
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As Dave said, if anything Vettel's actions were worse.
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:39 PM   #6
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pitlane thing was not Lewis' fault. if there is any fault its the team for the realease, but they were released at virtually the same time and Vettel wasn't in the "lane" yet. once side by side, from the overhead camera it was clear there was more than enough room for 2 cars, Vettel chose not to give Lewis any of that room, and he was slightly ahead.

i think they both might get a talking to, probably nothing more.

as for the restart and webber incident, we only got one dodgy replay. it loked like Vettel, Hamilton and Webber all tried to get into the same piece of track and that was never going to work. Apparently they were allowed to be racing at that point after the safety car, so possibly racing incident, but Lewis does keep getting involved in these incidents. that said, so does Webber.

Lewis was incredibly quick in all conditions and made some great passing moves
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:39 PM   #7
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oooh Brundle just said the same as me... means I'm awesome and should replace Legard
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:40 PM   #8
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He has been a huge factor of making 2010 an entertaining season so far.
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:42 PM   #9
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I realize this is going to be hotly discussed, but surely Hamilton deserves some kind of real sanction for the way he treats other drivers.

He tried to overtake Vettel coming out of the pits in the pitlane. In the press conference he puts on his best "who me?" innocent face when asked about it, and tries some kind of "I didn't really know he was there" excuse.

He bumped Webber off before the re-start after the safety car.

And, he was given a warning for weaving in the last race. So if someone is given a warning and they continue to do what they're doing, they should be punished, right?
Not if you're Hamilton!

That bump shot Webbers race.

When Webber did that last year he got a drive through in Germany.

Justice much?

Hamilton is a fantastic driver but a rank human being. He smiles a lot.... a good sign of someone not to trust.
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:42 PM   #10
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Who? Me? What pitlane incident?
I am glad Button is beating him in the drivers championship. Lewis acts like a tool.

Having said that, Vettel was more at fault. Squeezing Hamilton made it all the more dangerous. If Lewis ran over a wheel gun and it went flying it could've ended nastily.
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:44 PM   #11
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pitlane thing was not Lewis' fault. if there is any fault its the team for the realease, but they were released at virtually the same time and Vettel wasn't in the "lane" yet. once side by side, from the overhead camera it was clear there was more than enough room for 2 cars, Vettel chose not to give Lewis any of that room, and he was slightly ahead.

i think they both might get a talking to, probably nothing more.

as for the restart and webber incident, we only got one dodgy replay. it loked like Vettel, Hamilton and Webber all tried to get into the same piece of track and that was never going to work. Apparently they were allowed to be racing at that point after the safety car, so possibly racing incident, but Lewis does keep getting involved in these incidents. that said, so does Webber.

Lewis was incredibly quick in all conditions and made some great passing moves
If Webber is ahead how the hell does he get shunted off the track by Vettel/Hamilton before the restart?

Absurd that it could be IN THE RULES imo.....
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:44 PM   #12
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Hamilton pushing Webber off was partially to do with Vettel being very much up the inside of Hamilton in that final corner. Lewis could have turned in and hit Vettel or run out wide and squeezed Webber.

As for the pitlane incident, again, Vettel was extremely rude by squeezing Hamilton onto the blue line, very close to running over airlines, jacks and mechanics. That said, Hamilton should have also backed off. But nobody ever backs off in that situation (apart from Badoer at Valencia last year).
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:52 PM   #13
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I think Vettel moving over to block Hamilton in the pitlane was instinctive. He shouldn't have done it, but Hamilton should not have been challenging him. Maybe it's the team's fault for having let him out. Vettel was in front, so Hamilton should have backed off for two good reasons.

1. They're in the pitlane, and they could injure or kill mechanics with a stunt.

2. Hamilton was already given a warning in the last race.

I think he's a fantastic driver, but he's getting involved in too many incidents. And it's only when everyone is angry with him that he relents and says sorry. I question his sincerity.
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:54 PM   #14
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Not sure but

Is the reason so many cars were battling into the final turn is because you can now start passing and racing after the Safety Car Line? Which I think I saw just before the last turn.
If that was the case it is strange to put the line right before the last corner and invite drivers to crash after SC and into the last corner.
The line should be after the last corner onto the straight or just the same as in the past when it was the start / finish line.
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:56 PM   #15
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What I would like to see is for Hamilton to get a one-race suspended ban.
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:56 PM   #16
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If Webber is ahead how the hell does he get shunted off the track by Vettel/Hamilton before the restart?

Absurd that it could be IN THE RULES imo.....
apprently the restart point (last safety car board) was before the last corner so they were allowed to be racing by that point.

i agree that if they punted him off it might still be worth of investigation at the least, but the right to be side by side in that corner is theirs, from what i heard in the race commentary
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Old 04-18-2010, 07:00 PM   #17
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what robinho and dave said, basically on the pitlane incident. trying to deny knowlegde of what the interviewer meant was very stupid though, he's still got a lot to learn.

as for the second incident, I would like to see it again as 1 replay is all we got, but it seemed like a racing incident where Lewis and Vettel were too busy fighting each other and lewis just got into webber inadvertantly. It was a crazy restart IMO.
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Old 04-18-2010, 07:01 PM   #18
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I thought they couldn't start racing again until they crossed the start/finish line. If they were already racing again officially then I take back what I said and it was just a racing incident.

I still think Hamilton has a problem with respecting thee rules and his fellow drivers, though.
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Old 04-18-2010, 07:04 PM   #19
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I thought they couldn't start racing again until they crossed the start/finish line. If they were already racing again officially then I take back what I said and it was just a racing incident.

I still think Hamilton has a problem with respecting thee rules and his fellow drivers, though.
If the last SC line was the one just before the last corner. Thats a silly place to put it, as it asks for drivers to launch into the corner.

It should still be the start/finish line IMO.
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Old 04-18-2010, 07:34 PM   #20
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Fandango; Normally I'd be with you 100% - Lewis is a spoilt brat who often takes his desire to win too far, both on and off the track.

However today he has been the victim. The pit lane release (even in slow motion) was split seconds apart and as has already been pointed out, Seb moved into him Vettel was also involved at the last turn, trying to get under him. 3 into 1 doesn't fit and Mark came off worse. The fault there lies with the organisers choice to place the green flag line there.

If anything I would say the Button/SC moment is more worthy of interest to the stewards. its F1, Not Formula Ford - in fact I recall a similar incident at Oulton and it may well have been Jenson leading the pack then as well - I'll double check that before I start pointing fingers.
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