[thomaskkk]

While everyone has politely ignored it, everyone who witnessed teh podium celebrations must have seen that Mark Webber was "NOT HAPPY"
Mark Webber had won the start and was going nicely into the Turn 1; the he pulled to the left to get a better line into the corner and Vettel dived through for what was the move that gave him the win.

Now! was there some sort of agreement not to barge into Turn 1 between the drivers? Sorta like a Prost + Senna understanding?
or was there some instruction from Horner to take it easy and not take each other out?
Were team orders give out at some stage for Mark to simply hold back and look after his tyres?

I'm intrigued and looking for a juicy discussion. Any others fell something not quite right?

[pkxlugbsbv]

Maybe he was unhappy because Vettel won and he didn't?

Juicy, I know.

[Dyerryjex]

In motor racing, only one thing really matters: beating your team mate.

Mark is being comprehensively beaten by Vettel. And he knows that he's contract is up this year and Kimi is just waiting. I'm not surprised he's not happy, especially that he started from pole.

[Byxtysaaqwuz]

Mark knows that nothing is sorted for next year.

Some pressure.

[Seerseraxlils]

Beating one's teammate is one thing but the only people that that is neccessary for is the team management.

If there was an agreement of sorts, then it was unethical for Sebastian. If not then nothing more.

Winning at all costs is not part of motor racing. It is nothing new since the past 28 years or so and was aggravated by the banning of team orders in a knee-jerk reaction to "fan" emotions. Ferrari were correct and the FIA and the world were indeed wrong. That Barrichello did not speak up and acted in his usual emotionalist way.

I do not think that there was an "agreement" and that if there was then it did look as if Mark ran wide. The RBR drivers have a good relationship and Vettel is not a dirty driver or resort to tactics that is becoming synomymous with Hamilton.

[soonahonsefalh]

In motor racing, only one thing really matters: beating your team mate.

No! Only one thing matters in Motor Racing. Beat Everyone

[Rqqneujr]

It must be tough dealing with the fact you are being comprehensively beaten by your team mate, who happens to be 11 years your junior. I like Mark, great having an Aussie on the grid but I've never felt he is the real deal. He doesn't seem to have it all together mentally and if he doesn't start showing up Vettel soon, I fear he will just fall to bits. With his contract running out looming ahead that will only make him worse. I expect to see some average performances from Webber later this season.
I don't think there were team orders or instructions for Webber to go easy on tyres. I think Webber lets it get to his head and that beats him.

[soonahonsefalh]

IMO I think Mark struggles to come to terms with a superior team mate, in the past he liked to dominate his team mate on and off track.
Remember Alex Yoong, Pizzonia, Klien in his early years
Then he had had Heidfeld, Rosberg who were more his equal but on his day he could beat.
Then came Coulthard who on the whole Webber was superior too, but now he has Vettel who is really for the first time in Marks career, completely over shadowing him.
i know he beat Vettel on occasions last year, but this season Vettel has been way ahead in the first two races and then turned it around when Mark was actually ahead in Malaysia..
All of which I don't think Mark Webber is happy or used to dealing with.

[allemnendup]

It must be tough dealing with the fact you are being comprehensively beaten by your team mate...

Um, actually, I think it's the other way around. The fact that he wasn't 'comprehensively beaten' by his team mate might have been the cause for his disappointment. He pretty much stuck with Vettel throughout the race, so he knew he had the pace to beat him if he'd had been leading, making the mistake at the start that much more costly. I believe that was the face of a man who should have won the race, and knew he should have, but took the first corner too easy and blew it.

[leacturavar]

Um, actually, I think it's the other way around. The fact that he wasn't 'comprehensively beaten' by his team mate might have been the cause for his disappointment. He pretty much stuck with Vettel throughout the race, so he knew he had the pace to beat him if he'd had been leading, making the mistake at the start that much more costly. I believe that was the face of a man who should have won the race, and knew he should have, but took the first corner too easy and blew it.

Yep, Malaysia was the one that got away for Mark.

[bribiaLaubysdggf]

Good stuff here: Mark need to wake up and step on the gas and I am sure he will from this point on. Mark realized that the cars were too equal for him to make a pass and he probably knew the wheel nut man was on vettels payroll.

Should be fun to watch the next race.

[HondasMenFox]

As others have said, I think the reason he was disapointed was more because he could have beaten Vettel, than simply being beaten by him. I think he knows he botched the start a bit. Then his crew botched his stop a bit when the nut or gun or whatever jammed up on his right front. That costed him just enough to not get out ahead of Vettel. Had he gotten out ahead of his team mate I think Webber wins the race. Just my 2 cents worth.

[LookSe]

Yeah, I noticed that he wasn't happy. It'll be interesting to see how things develop as the season progresses.

[VIAGRA-]

I'm intrigued and looking for a juicy discussion. Any others fell something not quite right?

Mark was crap again in the race. Juicy enough?

To be serious, I think he knew that leaving the door open that one time might have cost him a race win. I hope there wasn't any agreement with the team and it was just a matter of Vettel getting past him.

TBH I'm starting to see Webber much like Coulthard was. A very good driver and deserving to be on the grid, but really too inconsistent to be in the car he is in. Both have a history of "almosts" and "could haves" and not really a history of making it happen as much.

[Olphander]

I'm not saying they should be jumping up and down with joy just for being there, but I've always thought Webber carries a bit of a sour look all the time. He didn't seem too happy about getting pole on Saturday, most drivers are ecstatic, and I'd say I agree with Ent, that after the race he knew he should have won.

Both RBR drivers strike me as prone to little mistakes, mistakes that they shouldn't make, and I'd be more inclined to expect tension between them during the season to build up rather than in other teams.

[thomaskkk]

All good points. Not a good poker player. Vettel was very happy on the podium, and I felt Mark could have masked his feelings better and shared the joy of getting a one/two for Red Bull; there is always the next race to make amends. All that talk about not knowing where Nico or Vettel was simply showed his hand, where he stuffed up.

[sesIgnose]

http://www.crash.net/f1/News/158460/...n_pushing.html
Whilst wheelspin when the starting lights went out allowed Vettel to out-drag him off the grid, and a subsequent wheel gun delay at his pit-stop put paid to any hopes he might have had of leapfrogging the German into the lead – 'a little bit of salt in the wounds', he admitted – Webber was full of praise for his team for what was by any measure a consummate success. It was, moreover, one for which he acknowledged the drivers didn't need to overly stretch either themselves or their equipment, even if the pair did trade fastest lap times in the run-up to the stops.

[sesIgnose]

Maybe he was unhappy because Vettel won and he didn't?

Juicy, I know.

http://www.crash.net/f1/News/158460/...n_pushing.html
Obviously if I stopped first there was a big chance I could jump Sebastian, but that would not have been fair for the guy who was leading. It was really down to the start and who had track position in the first stint.

[wmtravelservice]

This morning's Courier Mail has an article written by none other than... Mark Webber.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/...-1225849959242
A ONE-TWO finish in the Malaysian Grand Prix was a great result for Red Bull Racing, even if second place was a slightly frustrating outcome for me. My RB6 was completely hooked up all weekend and after taking a dominant pole position on Saturday, I was focused on victory in the race.

In the end, I lost the race in the opening 500 metres. I got a little bit too much wheelspin away from the line, which allowed my teammate Sebastian Vettel to gain on me from third on the grid.
I immediately moved to the inside to defend my position, but as we approached the braking area for Turn 1, I edged towards the centre of the racetrack to defend my position from Nico Rosberg and that's when Seb took advantage.
We both braked incredibly late, but Seb dived down my inner. We passed through Turn 1 side by side, but he came out ahead and that was pretty much it.
I got a run on him towards Turn 4, but I didn't have enough momentum to make a clean pass, so I backed off because I didn't want to risk an accident.

In answer to this question:

or was there some instruction from Horner to take it easy and not take each other out?

It's also much harder to race your teammate than someone from another team because the last thing you want to do is have an accident that takes out both of your cars.

The bottom line is that Vettel got a better run off the line, and both drivers are smart enough not to take each other out. I don't see anything sinister about this at all. It looks more like Webber was being sensible.

[kertionderf]

Webber lacks the killer instinct. Not that he may not develop it, or maybe win the championship through smarter race tactics and keeping the car together. At this point, I doubt it if Vettel keeps his car on the track most races. Webber is good..not great.