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**ZenDers** · 10-12-2009, 12:39 AM

Like he did in 2003 eh?!
Stop daydreaming.

Alonso did go well in 2003. He crashed in the end but did finish on the podium.

I'm not saying this to slag off Michael, just pointing it out that Alonso was awesome regardless.

**ZenDers** · 10-12-2009, 12:47 AM

Anyway, Brazilian Grand Prix:

Incidentally, another Japanese driver, Nakajima, made his debut as a stand-in in 2007, and finished a very creditable 9th.

I agree that if the Brawn is working (which it should be), then Rubens will do very well. I think Jenson will finish on the podium like he did in 2006, probably with Mark Webber in 2nd.

It will be warm in Brazil most likely, so expect Brawn to go well.

**jakitula** · 10-12-2009, 12:58 AM

Anyway, Brazilian Grand Prix:

Incidentally, another Japanese driver, Nakajima, made his debut as a stand-in in 2007, and finished a very creditable 9th.

I agree that if the Brawn is working (which it should be), then Rubens will do very well. I think Jenson will finish on the podium like he did in 2006, probably with Mark Webber in 2nd.

It will be warm in Brazil most likely, so expect Brawn to go well.

The irony is that in his home country Rubens has never been regarded too highly - always in the shadow of Senna and has the nickname pedechanello - like a soft sandal foot.

Its not the way a driver starts but how he ends up that is important and Kubayashi does not even begin on the same level as the Naka family.

I think he will be the slowest by far qualifier and a moving chicane in the race. This formula 1 and he has not even demonstrated competence in GP2.

**pimbertiemoft** · 10-12-2009, 02:04 AM

Schumacher is still part of f1, just not racing and he could have been. Alonso is the driver that beat Schumacher in 2005 and especially 2006 and tipped the German into retirement.

The Spaniard did what Schumacher achieved at Bennetton with Flavio - a double title.

Now he is the replacement for Schumacher in the drivers seat - and his teammate is Massa, the protege that will still have Schumacher in his pit during grands prix.

From 2010 Alonso will be seeking to win championships with Ferrari and his aim, is to beat Schumacher's records as he seeks to also end his career at the Scuderia.

Is Alonso a better driver than Schumacher - they are both one of the best.

Alonso races in an era where there are a handful of other drivers to beat - Schumacher had only one at a time.

But the significant difference, compared to Schumacher's era and makes it even more complex and difficult is that these days due to the control tyres, cars have become as mercurial as drivers - nobody knows what car is going to turn up and the days of boutiqueing tyres as Schumacher had and Alonso at Renault in 2005 and 06 are gone.

The most intriguing part of Alonso at Ferrari is watching just how he is going achieve beating Schumacher's records. If there is a driver with the ability and determination to do that it is Alonso.

That's a nice parralel, and on occasion I agree. Alonso is arguably the best driver in the current field (so don't get me wrong) and with Ferrari he could aim for a championship or two, however I doubt he'll beat Schumacher's records. I've never heared him saying that either.

You're actually contradicting yourself by saying that Schumacher raced in an era where it was possible to get that many records, while you also say that it's impossible at nowadays F1. So how is Alonso is going to achieve this?

But actually, I only said that it's not fair to say Schumacher retired because of Alonso (which you constintly imply). Maybe he retired because he was in F1 for a long time, was a 7-time WDC and of course broke about every record he could. Other than that, he was still very much fighting for the championship when he announced retirement (after winning the Italian GP). He could have continued, surely, but maybe he had seen enough.

But back on-topic, I'm hoping for a Barrichello win. He deserves a win at his home race after all those years.

**NerbuitW** · 10-12-2009, 02:22 AM

I think he will be the slowest by far qualifier and a moving chicane in the race. This formula 1 and he has not even demonstrated competence in GP2.

Gonna jump right in there and defend Kamui. He's had a tough year in GP2 this year no doubt but writting him off before turning a wheel in anger is a bit tough on the kid. He's the current GP2 Asia champion so he's hardly a donkey.

I do agree with you that he has little chance of doing anything else than making up the numbers at Brazil, but lets give him some time to mature before we start slagging the kid of.

GO KAMUI!!!

**EzekelEnzino** · 10-12-2009, 02:31 AM

Alonso did go well in 2003. He crashed in the end but did finish on the podium.

Right, he crashed off like an idiot, while ignoring double waved yellows.

What a great drive.

**NerbuitW** · 10-12-2009, 02:37 AM

Right, he crashed off like an idiot, while ignoring double waved yellows.

What a great drive.

Welcome back Ioan!

**EzekelEnzino** · 10-12-2009, 02:38 AM

Welcome back Ioan!

I really hope you didn't miss me!

**NerbuitW** · 10-12-2009, 02:52 AM

I really hope you didn't miss me!

Maybe. Not saying

**ZenDers** · 10-12-2009, 03:11 AM

Gonna jump right in there and defend Kamui. He's had a tough year in GP2 this year no doubt but writting him off before turning a wheel in anger is a bit tough on the kid. He's the current GP2 Asia champion so he's hardly a donkey.

I do agree with you that he has little chance of doing anything else than making up the numbers at Brazil, but lets give him some time to mature before we start slagging the kid of.

GO KAMUI!!!

Agreed. He did well in practice in Japan.

He won't score any points in the race, but he won't disgrace himself. A good driver no doubt.

**jakitula** · 10-12-2009, 03:15 AM

That's a nice parralel, and on occasion I agree. Alonso is arguably the best driver in the current field (so don't get me wrong) and with Ferrari he could aim for a championship or two, however I doubt he'll beat Schumacher's records. I've never heared him saying that either.

You're actually contradicting yourself by saying that Schumacher raced in an era where it was possible to get that many records, while you also say that it's impossible at nowadays F1. So how is Alonso is going to achieve this?

But actually, I only said that it's not fair to say Schumacher retired because of Alonso (which you constintly imply). Maybe he retired because he was in F1 for a long time, was a 7-time WDC and of course broke about every record he could. Other than that, he was still very much fighting for the championship when he announced retirement (after winning the Italian GP). He could have continued, surely, but maybe he had seen enough.

But back on-topic, I'm hoping for a Barrichello win. He deserves a win at his home race after all those years.

If you reread you wil see I said it was more difficult and complex, not impossible.

I said Alonso tipped Schumacher into retirement - he was not the reason but contributed significantly. Schumacher then used the signing of Raikkonen and what would have been the dumping of Massa as his reason.

If Schumacher had not been whacked out by having to battle Alonso and losing he may have stayed.

It is no disgrace and I do not mean it that way. It just is.

Fangio retired months after winning the 1957 German Grand Prix took everything out of him.

It happens. Alonso was the new generation and one day if he stays around long enough it will happen to him.

**jakitula** · 10-12-2009, 03:18 AM

Gonna jump right in there and defend Kamui. He's had a tough year in GP2 this year no doubt but writting him off before turning a wheel in anger is a bit tough on the kid. He's the current GP2 Asia champion so he's hardly a donkey.

I do agree with you that he has little chance of doing anything else than making up the numbers at Brazil, but lets give him some time to mature before we start slagging the kid of.

GO KAMUI!!!

I was being tolerant - I didn't say he should have his superlicence revoked - yet!

**jakitula** · 10-12-2009, 03:25 AM

Right, he crashed off like an idiot, while ignoring double waved yellows.

What a great drive.

He was in his 20th grand prix and was classified THIRD, while the reigning world champion, significantly outqualified by his teammate Barrichello and, in his 182nd grand prix spun off - not being able to handle the wet conditions.

Clearly the facts and reality have no importance with you despite that Schumacher said at the end that he was disappointed in himself. And well he should have been.

Schumacher never made excuses and I am sure he would not want a supporter to either.

**jakitula** · 10-12-2009, 03:37 AM

Agreed. He did well in practice in Japan.

He won't score any points in the race, but he won't disgrace himself. A good driver no doubt.

The ONLY reason he will be drivingthe Toyota is nationality. His GP2 teammate has scored more than twice the points and he finished down in 16th position again in his second year 2009, no improvement at all.

This is not a driver that should be rewarded with an f1 ride. I just hope he does not cause problems for the real f1 drivers.

**NerbuitW** · 10-12-2009, 03:48 AM

The ONLY reason he will be drivingthe Toyota is nationality. His GP2 teammate has scored more than twice the points and he finished down in 16th position again in his second year 2009, no improvement at all.

This is not a driver that should be rewarded with an f1 ride. I just hope he does not cause problems for the real f1 drivers.

Far too black and white St.D

That team mate was the same one Kobayashi beat to the GP2 Asia championship.

**EzekelEnzino** · 10-12-2009, 04:34 AM

He was in his 20th grand prix ...

That doesn't excuses what he did, a d***head move that ended the. He shouldn't have been qualified at the end of the race given what he did, he should have got a race ban.

**EzekelEnzino** · 10-12-2009, 04:35 AM

Far too black and white St.D

I bet his B&W world is very boring now that Flabio has been kicked out!

**jakitula** · 10-12-2009, 04:43 AM

Far too black and white St.D

That team mate was the same one Kobayashi beat to the GP2 Asia championship.

Clearly the GP2 European series is taken more seriously than the Asia warm-up.

Kubayashi is welcome to prove me wrong on Saturday and Sunday!

**Buincchotourb** · 10-12-2009, 04:58 AM

Damn, you guys really know how to destroy a thread.

**jakitula** · 10-12-2009, 05:08 AM

Damn, you guys really know how to destroy a thread.

How?
Kubayashi is the latest news as he is replacing Glock at Interlagos and discussing how he might perform is pertinent.

Everyone see that Jean Sage passed away?

10-12-2009, 12:39 AM	#21
ZenDers Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 639 Senior Member	Like he did in 2003 eh?! Stop daydreaming. Alonso did go well in 2003. He crashed in the end but did finish on the podium. I'm not saying this to slag off Michael, just pointing it out that Alonso was awesome regardless. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 12:47 AM	#22
ZenDers Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 639 Senior Member	Anyway, Brazilian Grand Prix: Incidentally, another Japanese driver, Nakajima, made his debut as a stand-in in 2007, and finished a very creditable 9th. I agree that if the Brawn is working (which it should be), then Rubens will do very well. I think Jenson will finish on the podium like he did in 2006, probably with Mark Webber in 2nd. It will be warm in Brazil most likely, so expect Brawn to go well. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 12:58 AM	#23
jakitula Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	Anyway, Brazilian Grand Prix: Incidentally, another Japanese driver, Nakajima, made his debut as a stand-in in 2007, and finished a very creditable 9th. I agree that if the Brawn is working (which it should be), then Rubens will do very well. I think Jenson will finish on the podium like he did in 2006, probably with Mark Webber in 2nd. It will be warm in Brazil most likely, so expect Brawn to go well. The irony is that in his home country Rubens has never been regarded too highly - always in the shadow of Senna and has the nickname pedechanello - like a soft sandal foot. Its not the way a driver starts but how he ends up that is important and Kubayashi does not even begin on the same level as the Naka family. I think he will be the slowest by far qualifier and a moving chicane in the race. This formula 1 and he has not even demonstrated competence in GP2. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 02:04 AM	#24
pimbertiemoft Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 494 Senior Member	Schumacher is still part of f1, just not racing and he could have been. Alonso is the driver that beat Schumacher in 2005 and especially 2006 and tipped the German into retirement. The Spaniard did what Schumacher achieved at Bennetton with Flavio - a double title. Now he is the replacement for Schumacher in the drivers seat - and his teammate is Massa, the protege that will still have Schumacher in his pit during grands prix. From 2010 Alonso will be seeking to win championships with Ferrari and his aim, is to beat Schumacher's records as he seeks to also end his career at the Scuderia. Is Alonso a better driver than Schumacher - they are both one of the best. Alonso races in an era where there are a handful of other drivers to beat - Schumacher had only one at a time. But the significant difference, compared to Schumacher's era and makes it even more complex and difficult is that these days due to the control tyres, cars have become as mercurial as drivers - nobody knows what car is going to turn up and the days of boutiqueing tyres as Schumacher had and Alonso at Renault in 2005 and 06 are gone. The most intriguing part of Alonso at Ferrari is watching just how he is going achieve beating Schumacher's records. If there is a driver with the ability and determination to do that it is Alonso. That's a nice parralel, and on occasion I agree. Alonso is arguably the best driver in the current field (so don't get me wrong) and with Ferrari he could aim for a championship or two, however I doubt he'll beat Schumacher's records. I've never heared him saying that either. You're actually contradicting yourself by saying that Schumacher raced in an era where it was possible to get that many records, while you also say that it's impossible at nowadays F1. So how is Alonso is going to achieve this? But actually, I only said that it's not fair to say Schumacher retired because of Alonso (which you constintly imply). Maybe he retired because he was in F1 for a long time, was a 7-time WDC and of course broke about every record he could. Other than that, he was still very much fighting for the championship when he announced retirement (after winning the Italian GP). He could have continued, surely, but maybe he had seen enough. But back on-topic, I'm hoping for a Barrichello win. He deserves a win at his home race after all those years. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 02:22 AM	#25
NerbuitW Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 449 Senior Member	I think he will be the slowest by far qualifier and a moving chicane in the race. This formula 1 and he has not even demonstrated competence in GP2. Gonna jump right in there and defend Kamui. He's had a tough year in GP2 this year no doubt but writting him off before turning a wheel in anger is a bit tough on the kid. He's the current GP2 Asia champion so he's hardly a donkey. I do agree with you that he has little chance of doing anything else than making up the numbers at Brazil, but lets give him some time to mature before we start slagging the kid of. GO KAMUI!!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 02:31 AM	#26
EzekelEnzino Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 742 Senior Member	Alonso did go well in 2003. He crashed in the end but did finish on the podium. Right, he crashed off like an idiot, while ignoring double waved yellows. What a great drive. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 02:37 AM	#27
NerbuitW Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 449 Senior Member	Right, he crashed off like an idiot, while ignoring double waved yellows. What a great drive. Welcome back Ioan! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 02:38 AM	#28
EzekelEnzino Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 742 Senior Member	Welcome back Ioan! I really hope you didn't miss me! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 02:52 AM	#29
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10-12-2009, 03:11 AM	#30
ZenDers Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 639 Senior Member	Gonna jump right in there and defend Kamui. He's had a tough year in GP2 this year no doubt but writting him off before turning a wheel in anger is a bit tough on the kid. He's the current GP2 Asia champion so he's hardly a donkey. I do agree with you that he has little chance of doing anything else than making up the numbers at Brazil, but lets give him some time to mature before we start slagging the kid of. GO KAMUI!!! Agreed. He did well in practice in Japan. He won't score any points in the race, but he won't disgrace himself. A good driver no doubt. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 03:15 AM	#31
jakitula Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	That's a nice parralel, and on occasion I agree. Alonso is arguably the best driver in the current field (so don't get me wrong) and with Ferrari he could aim for a championship or two, however I doubt he'll beat Schumacher's records. I've never heared him saying that either. You're actually contradicting yourself by saying that Schumacher raced in an era where it was possible to get that many records, while you also say that it's impossible at nowadays F1. So how is Alonso is going to achieve this? But actually, I only said that it's not fair to say Schumacher retired because of Alonso (which you constintly imply). Maybe he retired because he was in F1 for a long time, was a 7-time WDC and of course broke about every record he could. Other than that, he was still very much fighting for the championship when he announced retirement (after winning the Italian GP). He could have continued, surely, but maybe he had seen enough. But back on-topic, I'm hoping for a Barrichello win. He deserves a win at his home race after all those years. If you reread you wil see I said it was more difficult and complex, not impossible. I said Alonso tipped Schumacher into retirement - he was not the reason but contributed significantly. Schumacher then used the signing of Raikkonen and what would have been the dumping of Massa as his reason. If Schumacher had not been whacked out by having to battle Alonso and losing he may have stayed. It is no disgrace and I do not mean it that way. It just is. Fangio retired months after winning the 1957 German Grand Prix took everything out of him. It happens. Alonso was the new generation and one day if he stays around long enough it will happen to him. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 03:18 AM	#32
jakitula Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	Gonna jump right in there and defend Kamui. He's had a tough year in GP2 this year no doubt but writting him off before turning a wheel in anger is a bit tough on the kid. He's the current GP2 Asia champion so he's hardly a donkey. I do agree with you that he has little chance of doing anything else than making up the numbers at Brazil, but lets give him some time to mature before we start slagging the kid of. GO KAMUI!!! I was being tolerant - I didn't say he should have his superlicence revoked - yet! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 03:25 AM	#33
jakitula Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	Right, he crashed off like an idiot, while ignoring double waved yellows. What a great drive. He was in his 20th grand prix and was classified THIRD, while the reigning world champion, significantly outqualified by his teammate Barrichello and, in his 182nd grand prix spun off - not being able to handle the wet conditions. Clearly the facts and reality have no importance with you despite that Schumacher said at the end that he was disappointed in himself. And well he should have been. Schumacher never made excuses and I am sure he would not want a supporter to either. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 03:37 AM	#34
jakitula Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	Agreed. He did well in practice in Japan. He won't score any points in the race, but he won't disgrace himself. A good driver no doubt. The ONLY reason he will be drivingthe Toyota is nationality. His GP2 teammate has scored more than twice the points and he finished down in 16th position again in his second year 2009, no improvement at all. This is not a driver that should be rewarded with an f1 ride. I just hope he does not cause problems for the real f1 drivers. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 03:48 AM	#35
NerbuitW Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 449 Senior Member	The ONLY reason he will be drivingthe Toyota is nationality. His GP2 teammate has scored more than twice the points and he finished down in 16th position again in his second year 2009, no improvement at all. This is not a driver that should be rewarded with an f1 ride. I just hope he does not cause problems for the real f1 drivers. Far too black and white St.D That team mate was the same one Kobayashi beat to the GP2 Asia championship. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 04:34 AM	#36
EzekelEnzino Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 742 Senior Member	He was in his 20th grand prix ... That doesn't excuses what he did, a d***head move that ended the. He shouldn't have been qualified at the end of the race given what he did, he should have got a race ban. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 04:35 AM	#37
EzekelEnzino Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 742 Senior Member	Far too black and white St.D I bet his B&W world is very boring now that Flabio has been kicked out! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 04:43 AM	#38
jakitula Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	Far too black and white St.D That team mate was the same one Kobayashi beat to the GP2 Asia championship. Clearly the GP2 European series is taken more seriously than the Asia warm-up. Kubayashi is welcome to prove me wrong on Saturday and Sunday! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 04:58 AM	#39
Buincchotourb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 553 Senior Member	Damn, you guys really know how to destroy a thread. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-12-2009, 05:08 AM	#40
jakitula Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	Damn, you guys really know how to destroy a thread. How? Kubayashi is the latest news as he is replacing Glock at Interlagos and discussing how he might perform is pertinent. Everyone see that Jean Sage passed away? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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