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**DevaRextusidis** · 10-19-2009, 05:02 AM

Trulli, partly for the move but mostly for his comments afterwards.

Honorable mention to Rubens, seemed in a very strong position by his first stop and lost it all in the second stint.

**Buincchotourb** · 10-19-2009, 05:03 AM

Sutil, for forcing Trulli to crash into him and flying off the track to purposely take out Alonso.

**JamesTornC** · 10-19-2009, 05:43 AM

The Japanese driver weaved whenever Jenson - who was quicker - closed on him. Even the commentators spotted that.

Donkey of the race was definitely Fisichella who has now performed worse than Badoer and yet not a word of public criticism is heard......

Also Trulli. Bet you he would not try that out of car stunt with Mark Webber!!!

His name is Kobayashi. Aren't you the guy who likes to go on about people needing to show some respect? Shouldn't that apply to you as well?

And I completely disagree. Compared to any other driver who joined F1 at some stage during the season this year, he did an absolutely stellar job. Would you rather have all non-championship contenders be Grosjeans or Alguersuaris, and passively cruise around 50 seconds behind, swerving wide to let any driver that approaches by? Big kudos to Kobayashi for fighting!

**Kitdowstyhodo** · 10-19-2009, 06:06 AM

McLaren and BMW fueling miscues.

**Toossehew** · 10-19-2009, 06:13 AM

His name is Kobayashi. Aren't you the guy who likes to go on about people needing to show some respect? Shouldn't that apply to you as well?

And I completely disagree. Compared to any other driver who joined F1 at some stage during the season this year, he did an absolutely stellar job. Would you rather have all non-championship contenders be Grosjeans or Alguersuaris, and passively cruise around 50 seconds behind, swerving wide to let any driver that approaches by? Big kudos to Kobayashi for fighting!

I think Kobayashi impressed but he did cause an accident by chopping across Nakajima. So while I enjoyed his debut and he clearly has potential he has to calm down. Definitely not a donkey, that's the blue plastic race trophy.

**abouthotels** · 10-19-2009, 06:41 AM

The BBC commentary team for not spotting the broken Renault sat behind the squabbling Trulli and Sutil!

Don't get the criticism of Kobayashi, as I thought he was a breath of fresh air. He may have been a touch over defensive with Nakajima, but then Rubens put a big squeeze on Hamilton when he went past, and nobody seems to be bitching about that. Pretty solid debut if you ask me, and done his job prospects no harm.

**st01en_lox** · 10-19-2009, 07:05 AM

For me it's Kovalainen (should be gone from McLaren I hope - Miles away from Lewis) and Trulli as I think he was at fault for the accident.

**buyviagraonlineusatoday** · 10-19-2009, 07:15 AM

Jenson Button for not driving like that in the other races

and and for his singing

**Grzqbmhy** · 10-19-2009, 09:51 AM

Grosjean for being slow.

Trulli for the Sutil incident, which was ballsy but was never going to lead to anything good. In fairness, they wouldn't have crashed but Jarno got out of shape on the grass and that started it all.

Special mentions go to McLaren's lollipop man and BMW's fuel rig

**attackDoold** · 10-19-2009, 10:05 AM

Don't get the criticism of Kobayashi, as I thought he was a breath of fresh air.

Can't please everyone... When the racing is dull, everyone complains, but when it's exciting, the same people complain that it's dangerous!

**DrunkMans** · 10-19-2009, 03:43 PM

The Japanese driver weaved whenever Jenson - who was quicker - closed on him. Even the commentators spotted that.

He was blocking a faster car as any competitive driver should.

He did a fine job of it and it was entirely in the rules, and should be applauded for it. Definitely not a donkey.

Donkey of the race was definitely Fisichella who has now performed worse than Badoer and yet not a word of public criticism is heard...... No he has not. Unlike Badoer, Fisichella has actually qualified and finished ahead of people. Something that Badoer completely failed to achieve.

Fisichella has been terrible, though.

**HaroldMY** · 10-19-2009, 03:56 PM

The BBC commentary team for not spotting the broken Renault sat behind the squabbling Trulli and Sutil!

In fairness to the BBC team, they get the same race footage as the viewers with exception to the live timing screens. The Alonso incident was not covered for a couple of minutes by the broadcaster so not really their fault..

**Bonioners** · 10-19-2009, 04:05 PM

He did a fine job of it and it was entirely in the rules, and should be applauded for it. Definitely not a donkey.

Moving around in the braking areas is something which, if not covered by a rule, is something drivers do not do. Kobayashi may have got away with doing it in GP2, but he'll find the other F1 drivers do not appreciate it too much.

**DrunkMans** · 10-19-2009, 04:08 PM

Moving around in the braking areas is something which, if not covered by a rule, is something drivers do not do. Kobayashi may have got away with doing it in GP2, but he'll find the other F1 drivers do not appreciate it too much.

I didn't see any moving around in the braking areas.

**usatramadolusa** · 10-19-2009, 04:15 PM

Grosjean for being slow all weekend - I doubt he'll stay at Renault next year.

Kobayashi - but only for his clash with Nakajima. Other than that he did a great job, he's only young so there's time to develop and just calm down a bit. He's basically racing for a full time drive next year and was one of the best of the 2009 rookies by a mile, even after one race.

**Barryrich** · 10-19-2009, 04:38 PM

Kamui Kobayashi, way too dangerous.

**Piediahef** · 10-19-2009, 04:40 PM

Trulli. The mistake he made wasn't especially stupid, but his over-reaction afterwards made him look idiotic in my eyes at least. First time I've ever thought that of Jarno — very disappointing.

Agreed.

Also - BMW for the fueling mishap with Heidfeld and McLaren for the pitfire incident.

**Piediahef** · 10-19-2009, 04:46 PM

Trulli. The mistake he made wasn't especially stupid, but his over-reaction afterwards made him look idiotic in my eyes at least. First time I've ever thought that of Jarno — very disappointing.

Exactly how I feel....pointing the finger at someone else who has a 'reputation' recently is class-less. I lost a lot of respect for Jarno today to the point where if he's not in F1 next year I really won't care.

**avaicavum** · 10-19-2009, 05:15 PM

I believe that Vettel passed that rookie around teh outside of a turn within a few laps after catching up with him, and all this without whining to the team to ask for help from the race director.

How do you know ioan????

Do you really think that all the comments on the radio are put onto TV?

What Button said was the Kobayashi was waeving in the braking zones - which is NOT allowed, and it was his engineer who said about getting on to the stewards, not Jenson.

How do you know what Vettel said when he was behind Kobayashi?

Do you know what Nakajima was saying when he was behind Kobayashi (twice)? No - you have no idea.

You really have no idea at all...........................

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**Bonioners** · 10-19-2009, 05:27 PM

I didn't see any moving around in the braking areas.

JB certainly did.
Q. How frustrating was it to be following Kamui Kobayashi for so long?
JB: That guy is crazy! I suppose it is just inexperience, but he moves a lot in the braking zones which makes it very difficult as Nakajima found out. Everyone else was tough but fair, he was a bit crazy and he will be put in his place a little bit more now. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79604

10-19-2009, 05:02 AM	#21
DevaRextusidis Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	Trulli, partly for the move but mostly for his comments afterwards. Honorable mention to Rubens, seemed in a very strong position by his first stop and lost it all in the second stint. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 05:03 AM	#22
Buincchotourb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 553 Senior Member	Sutil, for forcing Trulli to crash into him and flying off the track to purposely take out Alonso. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 05:43 AM	#23
JamesTornC Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 319 Senior Member	The Japanese driver weaved whenever Jenson - who was quicker - closed on him. Even the commentators spotted that. Donkey of the race was definitely Fisichella who has now performed worse than Badoer and yet not a word of public criticism is heard...... Also Trulli. Bet you he would not try that out of car stunt with Mark Webber!!! His name is Kobayashi. Aren't you the guy who likes to go on about people needing to show some respect? Shouldn't that apply to you as well? And I completely disagree. Compared to any other driver who joined F1 at some stage during the season this year, he did an absolutely stellar job. Would you rather have all non-championship contenders be Grosjeans or Alguersuaris, and passively cruise around 50 seconds behind, swerving wide to let any driver that approaches by? Big kudos to Kobayashi for fighting! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 06:06 AM	#24
Kitdowstyhodo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 438 Senior Member	McLaren and BMW fueling miscues. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 06:13 AM	#25
Toossehew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 365 Senior Member	His name is Kobayashi. Aren't you the guy who likes to go on about people needing to show some respect? Shouldn't that apply to you as well? And I completely disagree. Compared to any other driver who joined F1 at some stage during the season this year, he did an absolutely stellar job. Would you rather have all non-championship contenders be Grosjeans or Alguersuaris, and passively cruise around 50 seconds behind, swerving wide to let any driver that approaches by? Big kudos to Kobayashi for fighting! I think Kobayashi impressed but he did cause an accident by chopping across Nakajima. So while I enjoyed his debut and he clearly has potential he has to calm down. Definitely not a donkey, that's the blue plastic race trophy. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 06:41 AM	#26
abouthotels Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 541 Senior Member	The BBC commentary team for not spotting the broken Renault sat behind the squabbling Trulli and Sutil! Don't get the criticism of Kobayashi, as I thought he was a breath of fresh air. He may have been a touch over defensive with Nakajima, but then Rubens put a big squeeze on Hamilton when he went past, and nobody seems to be bitching about that. Pretty solid debut if you ask me, and done his job prospects no harm. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 07:05 AM	#27
st01en_lox Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	For me it's Kovalainen (should be gone from McLaren I hope - Miles away from Lewis) and Trulli as I think he was at fault for the accident. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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buyviagraonlineusatoday Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 499 Senior Member	Jenson Button for not driving like that in the other races and and for his singing Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 09:51 AM	#29
Grzqbmhy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 401 Senior Member	Grosjean for being slow. Trulli for the Sutil incident, which was ballsy but was never going to lead to anything good. In fairness, they wouldn't have crashed but Jarno got out of shape on the grass and that started it all. Special mentions go to McLaren's lollipop man and BMW's fuel rig Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 10:05 AM	#30
attackDoold Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 548 Senior Member	Don't get the criticism of Kobayashi, as I thought he was a breath of fresh air. Can't please everyone... When the racing is dull, everyone complains, but when it's exciting, the same people complain that it's dangerous! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 03:43 PM	#31
DrunkMans Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	The Japanese driver weaved whenever Jenson - who was quicker - closed on him. Even the commentators spotted that. He was blocking a faster car as any competitive driver should. He did a fine job of it and it was entirely in the rules, and should be applauded for it. Definitely not a donkey. Donkey of the race was definitely Fisichella who has now performed worse than Badoer and yet not a word of public criticism is heard...... No he has not. Unlike Badoer, Fisichella has actually qualified and finished ahead of people. Something that Badoer completely failed to achieve. Fisichella has been terrible, though. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 03:56 PM	#32
HaroldMY Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 512 Senior Member	The BBC commentary team for not spotting the broken Renault sat behind the squabbling Trulli and Sutil! In fairness to the BBC team, they get the same race footage as the viewers with exception to the live timing screens. The Alonso incident was not covered for a couple of minutes by the broadcaster so not really their fault.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 04:05 PM	#33
Bonioners Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 418 Senior Member	He did a fine job of it and it was entirely in the rules, and should be applauded for it. Definitely not a donkey. Moving around in the braking areas is something which, if not covered by a rule, is something drivers do not do. Kobayashi may have got away with doing it in GP2, but he'll find the other F1 drivers do not appreciate it too much. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 04:08 PM	#34
DrunkMans Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	Moving around in the braking areas is something which, if not covered by a rule, is something drivers do not do. Kobayashi may have got away with doing it in GP2, but he'll find the other F1 drivers do not appreciate it too much. I didn't see any moving around in the braking areas. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 04:15 PM	#35
usatramadolusa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 438 Senior Member	Grosjean for being slow all weekend - I doubt he'll stay at Renault next year. Kobayashi - but only for his clash with Nakajima. Other than that he did a great job, he's only young so there's time to develop and just calm down a bit. He's basically racing for a full time drive next year and was one of the best of the 2009 rookies by a mile, even after one race. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 04:38 PM	#36
Barryrich Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 609 Senior Member	Kamui Kobayashi, way too dangerous. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 04:40 PM	#37
Piediahef Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 431 Senior Member	Trulli. The mistake he made wasn't especially stupid, but his over-reaction afterwards made him look idiotic in my eyes at least. First time I've ever thought that of Jarno — very disappointing. Agreed. Also - BMW for the fueling mishap with Heidfeld and McLaren for the pitfire incident. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 04:46 PM	#38
Piediahef Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 431 Senior Member	Trulli. The mistake he made wasn't especially stupid, but his over-reaction afterwards made him look idiotic in my eyes at least. First time I've ever thought that of Jarno — very disappointing. Exactly how I feel....pointing the finger at someone else who has a 'reputation' recently is class-less. I lost a lot of respect for Jarno today to the point where if he's not in F1 next year I really won't care. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 05:15 PM	#39
avaicavum Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 468 Senior Member	I believe that Vettel passed that rookie around teh outside of a turn within a few laps after catching up with him, and all this without whining to the team to ask for help from the race director. How do you know ioan???? Do you really think that all the comments on the radio are put onto TV? What Button said was the Kobayashi was waeving in the braking zones - which is NOT allowed, and it was his engineer who said about getting on to the stewards, not Jenson. How do you know what Vettel said when he was behind Kobayashi? Do you know what Nakajima was saying when he was behind Kobayashi (twice)? No - you have no idea. You really have no idea at all........................... WT Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-19-2009, 05:27 PM	#40
Bonioners Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 418 Senior Member	I didn't see any moving around in the braking areas. JB certainly did. Q. How frustrating was it to be following Kamui Kobayashi for so long? JB: That guy is crazy! I suppose it is just inexperience, but he moves a lot in the braking zones which makes it very difficult as Nakajima found out. Everyone else was tough but fair, he was a bit crazy and he will be put in his place a little bit more now. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79604 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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