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Old 10-13-2009, 07:05 AM   #21
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How can anyone include Massa alongside Alonso??!!
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Old 10-13-2009, 08:10 AM   #22
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How can anyone include Massa alongside Alonso??!!
We're not all in love with Fred like you are, and look at race results.
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Old 10-13-2009, 03:36 PM   #23
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How can anyone include Massa alongside Alonso??!!
It is indeed insulting for Massa to rate him only equal to Alonso.
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:25 AM   #24
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Gonna' back Devo's play a little over here.
It's my opinion that Fred is the fastest driver of the current crop,
but this is all very subjective!
Hamilton matched Fred at McLaren.
But other than that there is no other fair comparisons.
I think some people suffer from selective amnesia when it comes
to remembering how freakin fast Fred was in a top car.
But it's been two years now Massa has to get his due.
He has really produced at Ferrari after Mike left.
So has Kimi, and Lewis may be the best of them all!
So I believe we have four guys that are close enough to put in a category at the top.
Next season we will see how Felipe stacks up against Fred
My money is on Fred!
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:38 AM   #25
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When he would be as motivated as Michael Schumacher, Raikkonen would have won even more championships I'm sure.. Too bad he isn't

1 Hamilton
2 Alonso
3 Vettel

Quit weird, there's not any driver I support in my top 3
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:39 AM   #26
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It is indeed insulting for Massa to rate him only equal to Alonso.
I'm going to quote this for future ridicule.
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:28 AM   #27
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When he would be as motivated as Michael Schumacher, Raikkonen would have won even more championships I'm sure.. Too bad he isn't

1 Hamilton
2 Alonso
3 Vettel

Quit weird, there's not any driver I support in my top 3
I rated my favorite driver 11th out of 20.
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:10 AM   #28
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Who's your favourite driver then?
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:50 AM   #29
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Who's your favourite driver then?
see post #5 in this thread: Fisi
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:43 PM   #30
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1. Kimi Raikkonen - Just because he can be the fastest on this planet, but when he wants to. See Silverstone 2007, beat both Mclarens from third by putting in a string of blistering fastest laps in between pit stops.

2.Fernando Alonso - Brilliant, hard working, complete driver, but probably not as naturally talented as Kimi. Also, involved in some questionable scandals.

3.Lewis Hamilton - Brilliant, naturally talented driver again, but sometimes his antics are not that of a great champion.

4. Sebastian Vettel - Very talented, special in rain, but I hope he doesn't become the next "Schumacher". Well, he hasn't punted anybody out of the track yet, has he?

5. Felipe Massa: Not as naturally talented as other drivers, but worked his butt off to become one of the best on the grid today. Still has some weaknesses.
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:24 PM   #31
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1. Kimi Raikkonen - Just because he can be the fastest on this planet, but when he wants to. See Silverstone 2007, beat both Mclarens from third by putting in a string of blistering fastest laps in between pit stops.

2.Fernando Alonso - Brilliant, hard working, complete driver, but probably not as naturally talented as Kimi. Also, involved in some questionable scandals.

3.Lewis Hamilton - Brilliant, naturally talented driver again, but sometimes his antics are not that of a great champion.

4. Sebastian Vettel - Very talented, special in rain, but I hope he doesn't become the next "Schumacher". Well, he hasn't punted anybody out of the track yet, has he?

5. Felipe Massa: Not as naturally talented as other drivers, but worked his butt off to become one of the best on the grid today. Still has some weaknesses.
My list would look a lot like the X-list above. However, when one of the drivers is so bad that he gets fired before the contract ends, he cannot really be on that list. Can he?

Another funny thing is that the wdc 2009 is not listed at all

So you have all gone mad
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Old 10-14-2009, 11:17 PM   #32
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My list would look a lot like the X-list above. However, when one of the drivers is so bad that he gets fired before the contract ends, he cannot really be on that list. Can he?

Another funny thing is that the wdc 2009 is not listed at all

So you have all gone mad
Are you referring to Button .....
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Old 10-15-2009, 12:40 AM   #33
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Depends what we are asking. If its whose fastest? Then its Hamilton (God I feel dirty saying that!) no questions with Kimi just behind him.

If its hard workers then Massa and Kubica get a vote.

If its the "complete" driver then at the moment it has to be Fred. Although a lot of what if takes to be a complete driver can be learnt so Kimi or Hamster could be the best if they applied themselves.
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Old 10-15-2009, 12:49 AM   #34
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My list would look a lot like the X-list above. However, when one of the drivers is so bad that he gets fired before the contract ends, he cannot really be on that list. Can he?
You're forgetting the big Santander bucks. I believe the decision was more Santander than Ferrari.

Another funny thing is that the wdc 2009 is not listed at all

So you have all gone mad
Well, he could only win in the first half of the year with a perfect car, and then spent the rest of the year being outperformed by his less rated teammate. I don't think that's a very convincing champion. Kimi, Alonso or Hamilton would already be champion in that car IMO.
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Old 10-15-2009, 02:58 AM   #35
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You're forgetting the big Santander bucks. I believe the decision was more Santander than Ferrari.
I know that X. That was another poor attempt on irony from my part.

Happens way too often.

Anyway, I agree with most of your list.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:04 PM   #36
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Let's see... I'll go with:

Top tier: Alonso and Hamilton

Next tier: Kimi, Vettel, Webber, Rosberg, Button, Massa

Kimi could have been top tier, but he just lacks that little bit of fire/consistency.
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Old 10-17-2009, 07:13 AM   #37
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I know that X. That was another poor attempt on irony from my part.

Happens way too often.

Anyway, I agree with most of your list.
Now that I look at it for the second time, I finally get it.
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