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**Cyclicymn** · 10-01-2009, 04:42 PM

A question to F1 experts here. What type of circuit Suzuka is? Is it like Silverstone, all fast corners? Or is it like Spa, different sectors? Or like Monza, fast with slow corners? I can see the graphic for myself, but I am not sure what to make of the track...

**Bvghbopz** · 10-01-2009, 04:44 PM

A question to F1 experts here. What type of circuit Suzuka is? Is it like Silverstone, all fast corners? Or is it like Spa, different sectors? Or like Monza, fast with slow corners? I can see the graphic for myself, but I am not sure what to make of the track...

Out of the three I would say its more like Silverstone

**infarrelisam** · 10-01-2009, 04:51 PM

A question to F1 experts here. What type of circuit Suzuka is? Is it like Silverstone, all fast corners? Or is it like Spa, different sectors? Or like Monza, fast with slow corners? I can see the graphic for myself, but I am not sure what to make of the track...

It's quite fast. The average speed in 2006 was 220 kph. Which is slightly less than the average speed at Silverstone this year.

**kSmica** · 10-01-2009, 04:57 PM

Stop being such a McLaren fan.

You just wait, just wait until next year.
No one will have any excuse when Princesa de Asturia Alonsita beats everyone down in the Ferrari for an entire season.

There are always excuses. By the way, blind faith is never a good thing.

**Cyclicymn** · 10-01-2009, 05:09 PM

Out of the three I would say its more like Silverstone

Oh, crap. RBR snorefest, then.

**elton** · 10-01-2009, 05:12 PM

Not really. Think McLaren have improved a lot since then and fingers crossed Brawn are nearly there with their low downforce package.

**Cyclicymn** · 10-01-2009, 05:14 PM

Not really. Think McLaren have improved a lot since then and fingers crossed Brawn are nearly there with their low downforce package.

I hope that you are right... However, at Spa neither Brawn, nor McLaren were too impressive and Suzuka will obviously be worse than Spa.

**Bvghbopz** · 10-01-2009, 05:23 PM

Oh, crap. RBR snorefest, then.

I don't think it will be, as most teams have improved considerably since Silverstone this year. In actual fact Silverstone 2009 was alot more exciting than the TV coverage gave it credit for. The Hamilton, Alonso battle didn't seem to get much coverage at all which was dissappointing.

I predict a Mclaren in the top four, with possibly Webber on pole... BMW showed good pace in the last race but street circuits are rarely a good comparison of pace to the faster circuits IMO..

**Cyclicymn** · 10-01-2009, 05:30 PM

BMW, however, were fast at Monza and Spa, so I expect them to be fighting for points. Force India may also show promise again. They excel on fast tracks. Toyota may or may not be strong, with them, it is always impossible to predict. Renault and Williams will struggle badly in my opinion.

**DavidQD** · 10-04-2009, 03:03 PM

I agree - McLaren by a nose. But only because they have two drivers scoring at the moment.

Ferrari managed to hold on to the lead.

No thanks to Fiszizzle

**santorio** · 10-04-2009, 03:05 PM

Ferrari managed to hold on to the lead.
No thanks to Fiszizzle

In fairness, Heikki wasn't exactly helping McLaren either.

**kSmica** · 10-04-2009, 03:06 PM

In fairness, Heikki wasn't exactly helping McLaren either.

But he did pass sleeping Fizzy after the stop...

**santorio** · 10-04-2009, 03:12 PM

But he did pass sleeping Fizzy after the stop...

True enough, but didn't it remind you of two bald men fighting over a comb?

**casinoboneerer** · 10-04-2009, 03:15 PM

Nice one Dave. Comment of the day surely!

**DavidQD** · 10-04-2009, 03:18 PM

True enough, but didn't it remind you of two bald men fighting over a comb?

**kSmica** · 10-04-2009, 03:53 PM

True enough, but didn't it remind you of two bald men fighting over a comb?

Yep, Heikki is performing very badly, no excuses. I'm very amazed about it, he was a better driver than this at Renault.

**evarekataVame** · 10-04-2009, 04:14 PM

Yep, Heikki is performing very badly, no excuses. I'm very amazed about it, he was a better driver than this at Renault.

He's not the first talented young driver to have his morale broken as a result of coming up against an even more talented teammate. I think he still has a good chance of recovering his reputation with another team.

**ggiifdfalls** · 10-04-2009, 08:46 PM

Having a team with 2 driver beat one with only one race driver for half a season is such an 'accomplishment' to be proud of if you are a McLaren fan!

**Rupeviv** · 10-04-2009, 09:04 PM

Having a team with 2 driver beat one with only one race driver for half a season is such an 'accomplishment' to be proud of if you are a McLaren fan!

id argue both ferrari and mclaren are 1 driver teams-as only 1 driver in each has a driver capable of good results at the moment IMO

but without massa's crash, ferrari would have walked to second place, to be fair.

**infarrelisam** · 10-04-2009, 09:15 PM

Having a team with 2 driver beat one with only one race driver for half a season is such an 'accomplishment' to be proud of if you are a McLaren fan!

If Ferrari were in the same situation you wouldn't be humming the same tune

10-01-2009, 04:42 PM	#21
Cyclicymn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	A question to F1 experts here. What type of circuit Suzuka is? Is it like Silverstone, all fast corners? Or is it like Spa, different sectors? Or like Monza, fast with slow corners? I can see the graphic for myself, but I am not sure what to make of the track... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Bvghbopz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 528 Senior Member	A question to F1 experts here. What type of circuit Suzuka is? Is it like Silverstone, all fast corners? Or is it like Spa, different sectors? Or like Monza, fast with slow corners? I can see the graphic for myself, but I am not sure what to make of the track... Out of the three I would say its more like Silverstone Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-01-2009, 04:51 PM	#23
infarrelisam Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 428 Senior Member	A question to F1 experts here. What type of circuit Suzuka is? Is it like Silverstone, all fast corners? Or is it like Spa, different sectors? Or like Monza, fast with slow corners? I can see the graphic for myself, but I am not sure what to make of the track... It's quite fast. The average speed in 2006 was 220 kph. Which is slightly less than the average speed at Silverstone this year. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-01-2009, 04:57 PM	#24
kSmica Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 631 Senior Member	Stop being such a McLaren fan. You just wait, just wait until next year. No one will have any excuse when Princesa de Asturia Alonsita beats everyone down in the Ferrari for an entire season. There are always excuses. By the way, blind faith is never a good thing. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-01-2009, 05:09 PM	#25
Cyclicymn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	Out of the three I would say its more like Silverstone Oh, crap. RBR snorefest, then. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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elton Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 650 Senior Member	Not really. Think McLaren have improved a lot since then and fingers crossed Brawn are nearly there with their low downforce package. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-01-2009, 05:14 PM	#27
Cyclicymn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	Not really. Think McLaren have improved a lot since then and fingers crossed Brawn are nearly there with their low downforce package. I hope that you are right... However, at Spa neither Brawn, nor McLaren were too impressive and Suzuka will obviously be worse than Spa. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-01-2009, 05:23 PM	#28
Bvghbopz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 528 Senior Member	Oh, crap. RBR snorefest, then. I don't think it will be, as most teams have improved considerably since Silverstone this year. In actual fact Silverstone 2009 was alot more exciting than the TV coverage gave it credit for. The Hamilton, Alonso battle didn't seem to get much coverage at all which was dissappointing. I predict a Mclaren in the top four, with possibly Webber on pole... BMW showed good pace in the last race but street circuits are rarely a good comparison of pace to the faster circuits IMO.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-01-2009, 05:30 PM	#29
Cyclicymn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	BMW, however, were fast at Monza and Spa, so I expect them to be fighting for points. Force India may also show promise again. They excel on fast tracks. Toyota may or may not be strong, with them, it is always impossible to predict. Renault and Williams will struggle badly in my opinion. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 03:03 PM	#30
DavidQD Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 482 Senior Member	I agree - McLaren by a nose. But only because they have two drivers scoring at the moment. Ferrari managed to hold on to the lead. No thanks to Fiszizzle Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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santorio Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 470 Senior Member	Ferrari managed to hold on to the lead. No thanks to Fiszizzle In fairness, Heikki wasn't exactly helping McLaren either. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 03:06 PM	#32
kSmica Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 631 Senior Member	In fairness, Heikki wasn't exactly helping McLaren either. But he did pass sleeping Fizzy after the stop... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 03:12 PM	#33
santorio Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 470 Senior Member	But he did pass sleeping Fizzy after the stop... True enough, but didn't it remind you of two bald men fighting over a comb? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 03:15 PM	#34
casinoboneerer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 466 Senior Member	Nice one Dave. Comment of the day surely! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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DavidQD Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 482 Senior Member	True enough, but didn't it remind you of two bald men fighting over a comb? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 03:53 PM	#36
kSmica Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 631 Senior Member	True enough, but didn't it remind you of two bald men fighting over a comb? Yep, Heikki is performing very badly, no excuses. I'm very amazed about it, he was a better driver than this at Renault. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 04:14 PM	#37
evarekataVame Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 590 Senior Member	Yep, Heikki is performing very badly, no excuses. I'm very amazed about it, he was a better driver than this at Renault. He's not the first talented young driver to have his morale broken as a result of coming up against an even more talented teammate. I think he still has a good chance of recovering his reputation with another team. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 08:46 PM	#38
ggiifdfalls Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 540 Senior Member	Having a team with 2 driver beat one with only one race driver for half a season is such an 'accomplishment' to be proud of if you are a McLaren fan! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 09:04 PM	#39
Rupeviv Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 448 Senior Member	Having a team with 2 driver beat one with only one race driver for half a season is such an 'accomplishment' to be proud of if you are a McLaren fan! id argue both ferrari and mclaren are 1 driver teams-as only 1 driver in each has a driver capable of good results at the moment IMO but without massa's crash, ferrari would have walked to second place, to be fair. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 09:15 PM	#40
infarrelisam Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 428 Senior Member	Having a team with 2 driver beat one with only one race driver for half a season is such an 'accomplishment' to be proud of if you are a McLaren fan! If Ferrari were in the same situation you wouldn't be humming the same tune Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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