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**hechicxxrr** · 10-04-2009, 05:09 AM

But strangely the McLaren with it's Merc engine has been abject, therefore surely more of the success can be attributed to the aero and chassis work?

Exactly my thoughts. I mean apart from Monza and Spa, I do not see where else would the Mercedes unit be of such a big advantage. The Brawn GP package is more about aerodynamics and suspension, less about the engine. So, I guess they would have been as competitive with the Honda engine as well, especially with the engine freeze rule.

**Rexaviennatutr** · 10-04-2009, 05:31 AM

Which, in a roundabout kind of way, suggests Honda's withdrawal before the start of the season as 'probably' a rather good move.

Given that it was mostly Honda's money that bankrolled the Brawn 2009 effort, the Honda guys can hold their heads high in my book.

It's well known that Honda stopped development on last year's car to concentrate on this year's car, which has been an astounding success. Honda's untimely withdrawal from F1 was based on "economic image" as the factory could not justify spending heaps on their F1 project while laying off loyal workers at home.

I don't know how good the Honda engine would have been this year compared with the Mercedes - the changeover was made in a very short time span and was successful.

It is unfortunate that both cars have been penalised on the grid - how much this will affect their final plaing we will know within hours.

**ggiifdfalls** · 10-04-2009, 08:53 PM

Looks like Brawn GP didn't even come close to winning this one. Maybe in another life.

**Cyclicymn** · 10-04-2009, 08:59 PM

Looks like Brawn GP didn't even come close to winning this one. Maybe in another life.

Actually if Algue...whatever, hadn't crash, Nico likely would have finished behind Rubens, so it would have been over. Still, everybody knows the saying about the aunt and the uncle and although I wonder why Nico wasn't penalised for ignoring yellows, it is not done yet.

**SashaLionx** · 10-04-2009, 09:51 PM

It would have been great to see Honda winning this year's WDC/WCC though as a Japanese team has never done that before, so it would have been historic. But wasn't meant to happen.

**santorio** · 10-04-2009, 10:08 PM

Looks like Brawn GP didn't even come close to winning this one. Maybe in another life.

They're half a point behind Red Bull. Half (50%, two quarters, four eighths) of one lousy point.

Red Bull, may I remind you, need a 1-2 in both Brazil and Abu Dhabi with two pairs of DNFs for the hitherto reliable Brawns.

If that's "not even coming close" in your world then I don't know what is.

**ggiifdfalls** · 10-05-2009, 02:45 AM

They're half a point behind Red Bull. Half (50%, two quarters, four eighths) of one lousy point.

Red Bull, may I remind you, need a 1-2 in both Brazil and Abu Dhabi with two pairs of DNFs for the hitherto reliable Brawns.

If that's "not even coming close" in your world then I don't know what is.

I thought it was about the race. My bad.

10-04-2009, 05:09 AM	#21
hechicxxrr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 557 Senior Member	But strangely the McLaren with it's Merc engine has been abject, therefore surely more of the success can be attributed to the aero and chassis work? Exactly my thoughts. I mean apart from Monza and Spa, I do not see where else would the Mercedes unit be of such a big advantage. The Brawn GP package is more about aerodynamics and suspension, less about the engine. So, I guess they would have been as competitive with the Honda engine as well, especially with the engine freeze rule. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 05:31 AM	#22
Rexaviennatutr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 569 Senior Member	Which, in a roundabout kind of way, suggests Honda's withdrawal before the start of the season as 'probably' a rather good move. Given that it was mostly Honda's money that bankrolled the Brawn 2009 effort, the Honda guys can hold their heads high in my book. It's well known that Honda stopped development on last year's car to concentrate on this year's car, which has been an astounding success. Honda's untimely withdrawal from F1 was based on "economic image" as the factory could not justify spending heaps on their F1 project while laying off loyal workers at home. I don't know how good the Honda engine would have been this year compared with the Mercedes - the changeover was made in a very short time span and was successful. It is unfortunate that both cars have been penalised on the grid - how much this will affect their final plaing we will know within hours. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 08:53 PM	#23
ggiifdfalls Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 540 Senior Member	Looks like Brawn GP didn't even come close to winning this one. Maybe in another life. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 08:59 PM	#24
Cyclicymn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	Looks like Brawn GP didn't even come close to winning this one. Maybe in another life. Actually if Algue...whatever, hadn't crash, Nico likely would have finished behind Rubens, so it would have been over. Still, everybody knows the saying about the aunt and the uncle and although I wonder why Nico wasn't penalised for ignoring yellows, it is not done yet. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 09:51 PM	#25
SashaLionx Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 456 Senior Member	It would have been great to see Honda winning this year's WDC/WCC though as a Japanese team has never done that before, so it would have been historic. But wasn't meant to happen. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-04-2009, 10:08 PM	#26
santorio Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 470 Senior Member	Looks like Brawn GP didn't even come close to winning this one. Maybe in another life. They're half a point behind Red Bull. Half (50%, two quarters, four eighths) of one lousy point. Red Bull, may I remind you, need a 1-2 in both Brazil and Abu Dhabi with two pairs of DNFs for the hitherto reliable Brawns. If that's "not even coming close" in your world then I don't know what is. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-05-2009, 02:45 AM	#27
ggiifdfalls Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 540 Senior Member	They're half a point behind Red Bull. Half (50%, two quarters, four eighths) of one lousy point. Red Bull, may I remind you, need a 1-2 in both Brazil and Abu Dhabi with two pairs of DNFs for the hitherto reliable Brawns. If that's "not even coming close" in your world then I don't know what is. I thought it was about the race. My bad. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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