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Old 09-28-2009, 05:09 PM   #21
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Ferrari does not deserve him. They humiliated him, replacing him despite the WDC and the great Spa win this season, despite him fighting alone against the McLaren in the WCC. So even if I love the crimson legend, my heart can not be with current Ferrari team. I hope that Kimi will stay in F1 and will beat them.
Totally agree with you mate

I think it's shamefull how Kimi has been mishandled by the team.

This is a Ferrari WDC and the man that has fought as hard as anyone to get results for the team since Massa's incident. He has kept his head, not spoken out and got on with the job. He has had new team mates come in and obliterated them which is all you can ask from a driver.

Welcome home Kimi, you prefer the temp of Chertsey over Itally

That's not good. If Kimi is driving for McLaren and lets say Hamilton is challenging for the title against Alonso in the Ferrari. It would be in Kimi's financial interests to work against his own team mate.
I don't think it's money that will motivate Kimi. In fact, if he had to win the last race of the season to deny Alonso the title, I expect he would
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Old 09-28-2009, 05:21 PM   #22
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when the team has been developing upgrades that suit Massa's style more than Kimi's driving style...why would kimi want to stay on in such a team...

if i remember , he and his management team have had to ask Stefano Domencalli to let him run the older version of the car.
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Old 09-28-2009, 05:25 PM   #23
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when the team has been developing upgrades that suit Massa's style more than Kimi's driving style...why would kimi want to stay on in such a team...

if i remember , he and his management team have had to ask Stefano Domencalli to let him run the older version of the car.
You're right, and the outcome hopefully will please everyone involved. Ferrari fans want Alonso, and Mclaren fans want Kimi. There is a rumoured rift between Domenicalli and Kimi, so there's obviously a problem. Kimi is better off going from one title contender to another IMO..
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Old 09-28-2009, 05:35 PM   #24
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Of course it now means I can stop liking Alonso
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Old 09-28-2009, 05:37 PM   #25
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You're right, and the outcome hopefully will please everyone involved. Ferrari fans want Alonso, and Mclaren fans want Kimi. There is a rumoured rift between Domenicalli and Kimi, so there's obviously a problem. Kimi is better off going from one title contender to another IMO..
and i can't imagine one more driver who would be a gentleman like Kimi ....every other driver would be washing the dirty linen in public...
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:04 PM   #26
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Errrrr no.

I hope if Kimi is leaving Ferrari that he goes rallying. Would be great if he became a fulltime Abarth driver.
He will drive for Mclaren.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:43 PM   #27
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He will drive for Mclaren.
Yes but......

I hope if Kimi is leaving Ferrari that he goes rallying. Would be great if he became a fulltime Abarth driver.

How many times do I need to repeat myself?
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:47 PM   #28
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Yes but......

I hope if Kimi is leaving Ferrari that he goes rallying. Would be great if he became a fulltime Abarth driver.

How many times do I need to repeat myself?
Let it go dude, just let it go
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:51 PM   #29
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I can't wait to see confirmation of the moves within the teams! Who do you think will be the most interesting duel within a team:
Kimi vs Lewis
Fred vs Felipe
Jenson vs Nico
They would all be fantastic battles. Probably the least awesome will be Fred vs Felipe, I reckon Fred will have the beating of Felipe. At least a couple of those have the potential to cause strife within a team the way Lewis vs Fred did. I think Lewis and Nico would actually be better for McLaren, though not for Nico.

Oh and this story on Eurosport has a couple of quotes from Alonso and Renault:
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/280920...eady-made.html
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:53 PM   #30
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Yes but......

I hope if Kimi is leaving Ferrari that he goes rallying. Would be great if he became a fulltime Abarth driver.

How many times do I need to repeat myself?
Hmm, I still reckon a McLaren F1 drive is more likely.
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:09 PM   #31
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Hmm, I still reckon a McLaren F1 drive is more likely.
But he (the poster) wants rallying
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:23 PM   #32
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But he (the poster) wants rallying
I want to win the lottery but it aint gonna happen

Actually, if things work out as expected, then we will finally get a good idea of who is actually the best out there.

Alonso vs Lewis at McL was pretty even but that was Lewis's rookie year.
Alonso not tested at Renault so no score.
Lewis not tested by Kovy so no score.
Kimi Vs Massa was pretty even again.
Rubens Vs Jenson was advantage Jenson.
Rubens Vs MS was advantage MS.

So, from only being able to compare team mates, we can start to compare across teams.

IF Massa beats Alonso then Alonso isn't as good as we all think. However, IF Alonso beats Massa, then you have to conclude that Alonso is better then Kimi and Massa.

Then...

IF Lewis beats Kimi then you have to say that he is better than Kimi and Massa who are pretty evenly matched at this stage of their careers. However, IFKimi beats Lewis then you can conclude that Massa and Kimi are better than Lewis and depending on the Ferrari result, perhaps Alonso as well.

I personally think Alonso will triumph at Ferrari and Lewis at McLaren confirming my view that they are the best 2 drivers out there with Jenson, Kimi and Massa being slightly behind.

Then... all we have to do is have a guess about Jenson. We could really do with Nico moving to one of the other teams in 2011 or Jenson joining one of the other top drivers to get a realistic perspective.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:43 PM   #33
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IRubens Vs Jenson was advantage Jenson.
Really? I'd say they were pretty even.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:28 PM   #34
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Yeah, it looks like we will see a lot of interesting team-mate battles next year and what else could an F1 fan hope for? FM vs FA and LH vs KR are great without saying, but others are worth mentioning too.

Button vs Rosberg. For the first time since 2006 Nico finally gets a proper team-mate to evaluate, how good he really is. On the other hand after many years alongside Rubens Button finally gets a younger team-mate, who aims to become a team leader himself. Button will have to drive hard to prove he is a worthy champion. Also Barrichello vs Hülkenberg. An old hand against a young rising star. Maybe Grosjean can harness his talent and give Kubica a run for his money. And it remains to be seen, who might partner Heidfeld at Qadbak. Vettel vs Webber vol2 could be close as well.

Whereas for 2009 only two teams (RBR/STR) changed their line-ups, it could well be that those teams are the only ones, who will not change their line-ups for 2010. With a possible addition of Force India.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:38 PM   #35
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Really? I'd say they were pretty even.
I don't know how anyone claims that.

6 wins to 2?
4 poles to 0
84 points to 69

Hell, he's scored over 20% more points than Rubens where the difference between 1st and second is only 2 points which makes it even more impressive.

In equal machinery Jenson has comprehensivly blown him away. OK, you might have an opinion that Rubens is having a great year and I would agree but the results are what matters.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:49 PM   #36
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In equal machinery Jenson has comprehensivly blown him away.
84-69 with Rubens having suffered a bit more unluck than Jenson so far this season is not "blowing away". For instance Alonso vs Fisichella in 2006 (134-72) is something that is closer to a description of "blowing away".
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:50 PM   #37
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Really? I'd say they were pretty even.
There have been times when Rubens has had the upper hand during their time as team-mates, but overall Button has come out well on top.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:56 PM   #38
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84-69 with Rubens having suffered a bit more unluck than Jenson so far this season is not "blowing away". For instance Alonso vs Fisichella in 2006 (134-72) is something that is closer to a description of "blowing away".
Maybe 'blowing away' is the wrong phrase, but so is 'pretty even' in my opinion.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:59 PM   #39
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Maybe 'blowing away' is the wrong phrase, but so is 'pretty even' in my opinion.
I would take a bit longer perspective in evaluating this pairing and considering that in 2007 and 2008 JB and RB were quite close too, it can be concluded there is little between them. Maybe Button can be given a slight preference, but only a slight one.

It looks like some are trying to make Button look like Schumi by saying that "Barrichello is driving better than ever and Button is blowing him away". Sorry, Button is no MS and one shouldn't be actually ashamed of this knowledge - there are barely any drivers that can be evaluated by his standards.
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:07 PM   #40
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I would take a bit longer perspective in evaluating this pairing and considering that in 2007 and 2008 JB and RB were quite close too, it can be concluded there is little between them. Maybe Button can be given a slight preference, but only a slight one.
There is more than a slight difference. Button's seven victories to Barrichello's two makes that fairly clear.
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