[NanoKakadze]

JMO, but I think the Donkey should always go to a driver rather than a crew member.

With that in mind, it's between Luca, Jenson, and Heikke, but neither were awful given the context of their races--just worse than everyone else. Jensen's race was toast after his bad start; Heikke just faded, and Badoer had a few things go wrong, most of it self-inflicted. However, I did see him pass a couple of drivers going into T1 at the start.

[Mymnnarry]

thats why I said maybe, he really needed to gets some points

That's true but it barely classifies him as a donkey of the race though.

Red Bull in general, were very mediocre today. They've got a week to turn that around.

[Mr_White]

The Renault engine group.

i'm sure it has more to do with the Vettels engineers and perhaps his driving style than the usually reliable renault engines. Webber, Alonso, Grosjean and NJr in the past never seem to have engine troubles.

[Mr_White]

That's true but it barely classifies him as a donkey of the race though.

Red Bull in general, were very mediocre today. They've got a week to turn that around.

what part of maybe do you not figure. I already dismissed him as a donkey of the race and laid blame with the pit crew. And yes, he really did need to score some points today to keep up with Button.

[dubGucKcolo]

Kovalainen. Pathetic performance again, what is this guy doing in a top team?'

Huh?
He's entitle to a F1 seat 1000 times more than a certain BADoer.

[KatoabamyHant]

Badoer was poor all weekend but that is down to the fact that there is no in season testing so can someone expect to get a decent finishing postition in a race after he had barely no experience of a F1 car for 10 years

[golozhopik]

Huh?
He's entitle to a F1 seat 1000 times more than a certain BADoer.

Badoer will be out of F1 as soon as Massa can return, he will never get a seat again.
Kovalainen on the other hand is wasting a top seat for the 2nd year in row. He should be driving for manure racing next year at best.

[Wetekemieluth]

JMO, but I think the Donkey should always go to a driver rather than a crew member.

With that in mind, it's between Luca, Jenson, and Heikke, but neither were awful given the context of their races--just worse than everyone else. Jensen's race was toast after his bad start; Heikke just faded, and Badoer had a few things go wrong, most of it self-inflicted. However, I did see him pass a couple of drivers going into T1 at the start.

if the crew member or members clearly cost their driver the race or valuable championship points they should

[bredkumanfirst]

Badoer

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Hands Grosjean a postion on a plate (why did you pull over, you fool!?) and then is penalised for straying over the white line

ROFLMAO

Huh?
He's entitle to a F1 seat 1000 times more than a certain BADoer.

Kovy had the better strategy.

Had the postions been reversed LH easily would've pit passed HK after the first stops.

McLaren are wasting the second seat to a second rate driver.

[Mr_White]

Badoer was poor all weekend but that is down to the fact that there is no in season testing so can someone expect to get a decent finishing postition in a race after he had barely no experience of a F1 car for 10 years

1. that is Ferrari's decsion to put him there and his for accpeting it. so no excuse

2.you could have given him in season testing and I still think he woukld be 2 seconds off the pace.

[dubGucKcolo]

Badoer will be out of F1 as soon as Massa can return, he will never get a seat again.

He should be out of that position right now, for all I know even Alex Young would be faster in a Ferrari.

[golozhopik]

He should be out of that position right now, for all I know even Alex Young would be faster in a Ferrari.

I thought after Yuji Ide left F1 that we wont ever have comedy back in F1, but I was proven wrong.
How sad that it was to do with a Ferrari driver

[Mr_White]

Badoer

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Hands Grosjean a postion on a plate (why did you pull over, you fool!?) and then is penalised for straying over the white line

ROFLMAO



Kovy had the better strategy.

Had the postions been reversed LH easily would've pit passed HK after the first stops.

McLaren are wasting the second seat to a second rate driver.

He is a solid F1 driver, but not really worthy of a top seat. even last year he could have done much more. This race is a perfect example of my frustration with him. he's good in qualy sometimes and then fades in races.

maybe, just maybe, kimi might come back to Maclaren. That would be my ideal pairing. 2 quick cars and a teammate that Hamilton knows, would take points away from his competitors if he has an off weekend. He doesn't need to be there to help Hamilton, just to get the best out of the car and win when LH doesn't.

[kSmica]

He is a solid F1 driver, but not really worthy of a top seat. even last year he could have done much more. This race is a perfect example of my frustration with him. he's good in qualy sometimes and then fades in races.

maybe, just maybe, kimi might come back to Maclaren. That would be my ideal pairing. 2 quick cars and a teammate that Hamilton knows, would take points away from his competitors if he has an off weekend. He doesn't need to be there to help Hamilton, just to get the best out of the car and win when LH doesn't.

How do think Lewis would react if he was beaten? That's the trouble with having two equal drivers, it creates tention and may lead to Alonso/Hamilton type situation. Heikki puzzles me also, I know the guy has a lot of talent but for some reason he is just too much up and down. He is similar to Trulli, quick in quali but loses it in the race.

[Filmania]

1. that is Ferrari's decsion to put him there and his for accpeting it. so no excuse

2.you could have given him in season testing and I still think he woukld be 2 seconds off the pace.

1. Yes, it's Ferraris decision to put him in. But it is his duty as third driver to accept their orders. He is working for the team, much like an employee. You do what the boss tells you, whether you like it or not. In all honesty, when I saw him in interviews even before he drove the car, he never seemed enthusiastic about the whole affair. He knew he just had to do a job and that was to drive the car. To me, he seemed fairly focused just on that, still knowing the difficulties it would entail.

2. I'm not going to mention any numbers, but if in-season testing was still permitted I fail to understand how this would not obviously improve Badoer's confidence and ability to drive the car straight out of the blocks. I do respect that a counter-argument could be that other drivers would also have the ability to test and up their pace, but I don't think the differences would be as great. They get to race every weekend. That's an important difference.

Let's look at the scenario he faced at Valencia.

(i) a car he never drove before on (ii) a track he never drove before while dealing with (iii) a task that he dutifully accepted to undertake (replacing Massa), genuinely not expecting to give anybody a run for their money.

Out of context: Badoer is the donkey. I think that's the way some of you are looking at it.

In conext: The McLaren screw up was bad but RB was on the cards for a win anyway. From Martin Whitmarsh's interview on BBC post-race, Hamilton was delayed 2-3 seconds in the pits, but came out 6 seconds behind RB (if I remember that correctly.) You can't argue with maths, even if he would have been in a position to overtake RB earlier. For me, it was Trulli. Absolutely no impact on the race whatsoever. Glock was in the same boat though he did up his pace late on.

[Blotassefesek]

Kovalainen did OK - "donkey" is a bit harsh given that he was in a car that was allegedly slower than Hamilton's once again (Whitmarsh mentioned that LH had the "shorter" wheelbase car which was 0.2s faster per lap), and nearly had pole.

Plus he did a good job for the team in slowing Barrichello down (intentionally or otherwise - we'll never know) which McLaren wasted with a dodgy pit stop.

For me, no major donkeys.

[NanoKakadze]

if the crew member or members clearly cost their driver the race or valuable championship points they should

. . . and that's your opinion, which you are quite welcome to.

[dubGucKcolo]

For me, no major donkeys.

You obviously forgot the comedian of the day.

[seosoftseo]

Ferrari for choosing Badoer.
Toyota for continually not knowing, how should TF109 warm up the tyres properly. For several races in a row they have been relatively fast by the end of the race, but this is too late after being nowhere in qualifying...
Red Bull for decreasing their title chances significantly.
McLaren isn't a donkey for me - they made a small mistake compared to previus ones and this pitstop cock-up even didn't cost a win (RB was less than 4 secs behind LH before the last round of pitstops and had much more fuel on-board).


Among drivers Button didn't impress me at all. Being seventh (which was also inherited by the troubles of Red Bulls), while your team-mate won, is just too far behind (RB has never been that much behind JB in any race thus far).

[IssuessBratte]

...should be driving for manure racing next year at best.

he he
Thank you. That made my day!