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**dubGucKcolo** · 04-27-2009, 01:34 AM

But then again, they'll be collecting the data better than those who aren't running it. I expect their system to improve by next year or even sooner than that...

or the year after that....or the years after that.....

**interbaoui** · 04-27-2009, 02:15 AM

Among front-runners Barrichello and Glock - they were nowhere near their team-mates. Rubens can now say bye-bye to WDC. And that hand-waving to Piquet - he must have been so used to lapping Piquet that fighting with him for position felt unreal.

Where was Kovalainen all race, while his team-mate was challenging for a podium?

Among teams I agree with the strategy of Toyota (well, strategy has been their weak point for many years already) and BMW-Sauber.

**MasTaBlau** · 04-27-2009, 02:24 AM

ΜΑssa!

Destroy Front Wing

**avaiptutt** · 04-27-2009, 03:03 AM

Fisichella for his block on Button.

**9wQlZkIj** · 04-27-2009, 03:13 AM

Kovalainen - Totally anonymous all race long. Total pants.

**MADwanker** · 04-27-2009, 03:42 AM

Kovy back to normal after his one good race of the season.
BMW for being hopeless.
Rubins is being totally outclassed by his team mate more so than when he was with Schumacher. He hasn't got the excuse that he's not allowed to fight now but the winner is....

Well, I'm not going to give it to one person but the Toyota team. Fastest car out there today, locked out the front grid and were pathetic all race from driving to strategy. What a waste.

**onelovemp** · 04-27-2009, 03:44 AM

Among front-runners Barrichello and Glock - they were nowhere near their team-mates. Rubens can now say bye-bye to WDC. And that hand-waving to Piquet - he must have been so used to lapping Piquet that fighting with him for position felt unreal. Where was Kovalainen all race, while his team-mate was challenging for a podium?

Among teams I agree with the strategy of Toyota (well, strategy has been their weak point for many years already) and BMW-Sauber.

I know where Kovalainen was. He started on hard tires with a heavy fuel load, they had to abandon the strategy cause the tires didn't work. They informed Lewis on the radio in the broadcast that the hard tire was at least a second slower in a Mclaren.

**interbaoui** · 04-27-2009, 04:10 AM

Fastest car out there today, locked out the front grid and were pathetic all race from driving to strategy. What a waste.

I don't think Toyota has quite the fastest car (quite a compliment anyway, would you have believed they are capable of constructing one?), but the three teams of BGP, RBR and Toyota are quite close performance-wise. And I disagree that Jarno's driving was pathetic.

**MADwanker** · 04-27-2009, 04:32 AM

I don't think Toyota has quite the fastest car (quite a compliment anyway, would you have believed they are capable of constructing one?), but the three teams of BGP, RBR and Toyota are quite close performance-wise. And I disagree that Jarno's driving was pathetic.

OK, I disagree about the Toyota for the following reasons.

JB drove the wheels off the Brawn in qualifying but was still beaten by the Toyotas (and a Red B by the way). That says to me that the Toyotas were very quick especially as I don't really rate JT and am not the biggest fan of TG either.

However, saying that, you are right that I was overly critical of JT and he was not as bad as the rest of the team, even if he wasn't stunning, he didn't deserve the criticism aimed at the rest

**interbaoui** · 04-27-2009, 04:42 AM

OK, I disagree about the Toyota for the following reasons.

JB drove the wheels off the Brawn in qualifying but was still beaten by the Toyotas (and a Red B by the way). That says to me that the Toyotas were very quick especially as I don't really rate JT and am not the biggest fan of TG either.

However, saying that, you are right that I was overly critical of JT and he was not as bad as the rest of the team, even if he wasn't stunning, he didn't deserve the criticism aimed at the rest

Shame that you don't rate Trulli.

I think he was the best performer in qualifying and that's why he beat Button there. Looking at Button's race pace, his quali performance was slightly disappointing. And after quali Brawn team admitted that they need to find more one-lap pace.

**9wQlZkIj** · 04-27-2009, 05:07 AM

I formally retract my kovy donkey statement. (That's my best mclaren speak ;-) ) he had a cr@p stratagy so can't blame the guy.

**rujeltaoser** · 04-27-2009, 07:29 AM

I formally retract my kovy donkey statement. (That's my best mclaren speak ;-) ) he had a cr@p stratagy so can't blame the guy.

Also he got hit at the start so that wasn't his fault either.

As much as I like the guy Nakajima was a bit of a donkey today.

Also Massa for hitting Kimi.

Other than that everyone else was pretty good today I thought.

**JeffStewart** · 04-27-2009, 10:16 AM

Toyota - for their stragety or lack their of

Sutil - enough said!
BMW - going backwards
Massa - for hitting Kimi

that will do for now

**Fiesialenp** · 04-27-2009, 02:27 PM

Toyota - half donkey points (at least the "Trulli train" was back for awhile)
BMW - full donkey points. Yes they had damage, but never looked in contention all weekend (but they both had KERS!)

**corkBrobe** · 04-27-2009, 03:12 PM

or the year after that....or the years after that.....

Im sure BMW are bit brainier than that.

**primaveraloler** · 04-27-2009, 04:22 PM

I would say Sutil, but he was the donkey of Qualifying...

The whole BMW team... Just woeful, 2007-08 Honda woeful!

**Wachearex** · 04-27-2009, 05:59 PM

Rubens
For continuously making hand gestures at Piquet instead of putting his foot down. That really bothered me. You have to earn your place not expect a car to let you through. They were fighting for position and it was never as if piquet slammed the door at him at any point. He was simply doing his thing and rubens could not get by. Very disappointing behavior from rubens. How quickly a sense of entitlement comes after 3 races.

**Anavaralo** · 04-27-2009, 06:25 PM

Nakajima, Fisichella, BMW and Toyota.

**Tumarimmicdak** · 04-27-2009, 07:01 PM

Has to be BMW, i pinned all of my fantasy f1 championship on them doing well this season, and i cant change it till the summer break

They really are performing terribly and there seems to be a rumpus between team and drivers at the mo, which is not good.

**chuecafressds** · 04-28-2009, 01:10 AM

Both BMWs were hit at the first corner and drove on with bad damage and with their one stop startegy ruined. Heidfeld's KERS also broke. So its a bit harsh, even if their quali was poor. Poor car, poor quali, unfortunate race.

I'm not sure, but it looked like the BMW drivers ran into each other at turn 1, thus making themselves their own worst enemy.

BMW of course, but then they're turning into donkeys of the season with a shocker of a car.

04-27-2009, 01:34 AM	#21
dubGucKcolo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 503 Senior Member	But then again, they'll be collecting the data better than those who aren't running it. I expect their system to improve by next year or even sooner than that... or the year after that....or the years after that..... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-27-2009, 02:15 AM	#22
interbaoui Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 447 Senior Member	Among front-runners Barrichello and Glock - they were nowhere near their team-mates. Rubens can now say bye-bye to WDC. And that hand-waving to Piquet - he must have been so used to lapping Piquet that fighting with him for position felt unreal. Where was Kovalainen all race, while his team-mate was challenging for a podium? Among teams I agree with the strategy of Toyota (well, strategy has been their weak point for many years already) and BMW-Sauber. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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MasTaBlau Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 508 Senior Member	ΜΑssa! Destroy Front Wing Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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avaiptutt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 425 Senior Member	Fisichella for his block on Button. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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9wQlZkIj Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 599 Senior Member	Kovalainen - Totally anonymous all race long. Total pants. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-27-2009, 03:42 AM	#26
MADwanker Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 455 Senior Member	Kovy back to normal after his one good race of the season. BMW for being hopeless. Rubins is being totally outclassed by his team mate more so than when he was with Schumacher. He hasn't got the excuse that he's not allowed to fight now but the winner is.... Well, I'm not going to give it to one person but the Toyota team. Fastest car out there today, locked out the front grid and were pathetic all race from driving to strategy. What a waste. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-27-2009, 03:44 AM	#27
onelovemp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 479 Senior Member	Among front-runners Barrichello and Glock - they were nowhere near their team-mates. Rubens can now say bye-bye to WDC. And that hand-waving to Piquet - he must have been so used to lapping Piquet that fighting with him for position felt unreal. Where was Kovalainen all race, while his team-mate was challenging for a podium? Among teams I agree with the strategy of Toyota (well, strategy has been their weak point for many years already) and BMW-Sauber. I know where Kovalainen was. He started on hard tires with a heavy fuel load, they had to abandon the strategy cause the tires didn't work. They informed Lewis on the radio in the broadcast that the hard tire was at least a second slower in a Mclaren. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-27-2009, 04:10 AM	#28
interbaoui Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 447 Senior Member	Fastest car out there today, locked out the front grid and were pathetic all race from driving to strategy. What a waste. I don't think Toyota has quite the fastest car (quite a compliment anyway, would you have believed they are capable of constructing one?), but the three teams of BGP, RBR and Toyota are quite close performance-wise. And I disagree that Jarno's driving was pathetic. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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MADwanker Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 455 Senior Member	I don't think Toyota has quite the fastest car (quite a compliment anyway, would you have believed they are capable of constructing one?), but the three teams of BGP, RBR and Toyota are quite close performance-wise. And I disagree that Jarno's driving was pathetic. OK, I disagree about the Toyota for the following reasons. JB drove the wheels off the Brawn in qualifying but was still beaten by the Toyotas (and a Red B by the way). That says to me that the Toyotas were very quick especially as I don't really rate JT and am not the biggest fan of TG either. However, saying that, you are right that I was overly critical of JT and he was not as bad as the rest of the team, even if he wasn't stunning, he didn't deserve the criticism aimed at the rest Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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interbaoui Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 447 Senior Member	OK, I disagree about the Toyota for the following reasons. JB drove the wheels off the Brawn in qualifying but was still beaten by the Toyotas (and a Red B by the way). That says to me that the Toyotas were very quick especially as I don't really rate JT and am not the biggest fan of TG either. However, saying that, you are right that I was overly critical of JT and he was not as bad as the rest of the team, even if he wasn't stunning, he didn't deserve the criticism aimed at the rest Shame that you don't rate Trulli. I think he was the best performer in qualifying and that's why he beat Button there. Looking at Button's race pace, his quali performance was slightly disappointing. And after quali Brawn team admitted that they need to find more one-lap pace. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-27-2009, 05:07 AM	#31
9wQlZkIj Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 599 Senior Member	I formally retract my kovy donkey statement. (That's my best mclaren speak ;-) ) he had a cr@p stratagy so can't blame the guy. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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rujeltaoser Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 442 Senior Member	I formally retract my kovy donkey statement. (That's my best mclaren speak ;-) ) he had a cr@p stratagy so can't blame the guy. Also he got hit at the start so that wasn't his fault either. As much as I like the guy Nakajima was a bit of a donkey today. Also Massa for hitting Kimi. Other than that everyone else was pretty good today I thought. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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JeffStewart Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 363 Senior Member	Toyota - for their stragety or lack their of Sutil - enough said! BMW - going backwards Massa - for hitting Kimi that will do for now Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-27-2009, 02:27 PM	#34
Fiesialenp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 644 Senior Member	Toyota - half donkey points (at least the "Trulli train" was back for awhile) BMW - full donkey points. Yes they had damage, but never looked in contention all weekend (but they both had KERS!) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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corkBrobe Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 435 Senior Member	or the year after that....or the years after that..... Im sure BMW are bit brainier than that. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-27-2009, 04:22 PM	#36
primaveraloler Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 568 Senior Member	I would say Sutil, but he was the donkey of Qualifying... The whole BMW team... Just woeful, 2007-08 Honda woeful! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Wachearex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 426 Senior Member	Rubens For continuously making hand gestures at Piquet instead of putting his foot down. That really bothered me. You have to earn your place not expect a car to let you through. They were fighting for position and it was never as if piquet slammed the door at him at any point. He was simply doing his thing and rubens could not get by. Very disappointing behavior from rubens. How quickly a sense of entitlement comes after 3 races. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Anavaralo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 460 Senior Member	Nakajima, Fisichella, BMW and Toyota. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-27-2009, 07:01 PM	#39
Tumarimmicdak Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 467 Senior Member	Has to be BMW, i pinned all of my fantasy f1 championship on them doing well this season, and i cant change it till the summer break They really are performing terribly and there seems to be a rumpus between team and drivers at the mo, which is not good. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-28-2009, 01:10 AM	#40
chuecafressds Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 537 Senior Member	Both BMWs were hit at the first corner and drove on with bad damage and with their one stop startegy ruined. Heidfeld's KERS also broke. So its a bit harsh, even if their quali was poor. Poor car, poor quali, unfortunate race. I'm not sure, but it looked like the BMW drivers ran into each other at turn 1, thus making themselves their own worst enemy. BMW of course, but then they're turning into donkeys of the season with a shocker of a car. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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