[Zzvukttz]

WHat on earth were they waiting for during 1 lap?!

[nannysuetle]

WHat on earth were they waiting for during 1 lap?!

Then send it out once Button has pitted, then pick up Vettel anyway. Nakajima's car is already clear but it's doing another lap!

Brawn have every right to feel hard done to by that. Deliberately bunching up the field!

[betraaaus]

Well, the timing was dodgy, but it was justified. Nakajimas car had spilled carbon all over the track and was stranded in a nasty position, so it was better to have the SC out, but they waited too long with the decision.

[ClapekDodki]

WHat on earth were they waiting for during 1 lap?!

No idea.

[Illirmpipse]

That first deployment of the SC was pure nonsense. Apart from the fact that it robbed the leader of a handsome lead, the whole operation was stupid and dangerous.

The SC is supposed to control the cars at a safe speed. So, many cars were then waved past to continue racing at a much higher speed. What if there was somebody lying dangerously injured across the track?

I have argued for a blinking light system around the track where all cars are given say 5 seconds to slow to a standard safe speed, then this speed is controlled by race control. How difficult is that? What is the reason for permitting cars to continue at a high speed past the safety car after it is deployed?

[nannysuetle]

The SC is supposed to control the cars at a safe speed. So, many cars were then waved past to continue racing at a much higher speed. What if there was somebody lying dangerously injured across the track?

I actually shouted something like that at the TV

For a group of (supposedly) smart people running the show that was an utter shambles. The safety car is now nothing other than a device to bunch up the field. Thankfully it didn't mess up the race but it's just used wrongly far too often.

[rolex-buy]

I agree, with all the technology and the standard ECU they have it wouldn't be too hard to implement and enforce, and a lot fairer than the safety car.

[Illirmpipse]

I agree, with all the technology and the standard ECU they have it wouldn't be too hard to implement and enforce, and a lot fairer than the safety car.

....................and more importantly, a helluva lot safer.

[Illirmpipse]

I don't see why this thread of mine was merged with ioan's - the two discussions are completely different. Maybe the mod who moved it could kindly explain the similarity between the two discussions.

[Yb4bulVR]

Talking of safety cars, what was going on with Ross yelling down the radio about being too fast behind it. Was that aimed at JB or RB and what was going on?

[Zzvukttz]

Talking of safety cars, what was going on with Ross yelling down the radio about being too fast behind it. Was that aimed at JB or RB and what was going on?

This year they have to keep the cars at a certain speed more or less a certain number of KPH as soon as the SC is deployed, they shouldn't go faster than that for any reason.

[Illirmpipse]

Talking of safety cars, what was going on with Ross yelling down the radio about being too fast behind it. Was that aimed at JB or RB and what was going on?

Rubens. The race was going to finish behind hte SC and there was no reason for Rubens to be that close to the fellow in front of him. Ross repeatedly told him to slow down and back off!!

[KlaraNovikoffa]

Who at race control was at the helm? Did the marshal inform race control of the sticky situation in the first place? Did race control see enough carbon fibre on the racing surface (which is dangerous) to call caution immediately?

Now David Hoots would have called the safety car quicker than that. There is no reason for cars to be running even one lap through that knowing there is a potential for probably 40 punctured tyres because of this.

Enough carbon fibre or oil on the tarmac should be safety car worthy. Those are two cases where safety cars make sense.

There should be an announced safety car speed (60 km/h, 80 km/h, 100 km/h).

[fygESytT]

I thought that both SC deployments were justified owing to the amounts of debris, etc, on the track. But I do feel that the business of allowing lapped cars to overtake is potentially more hazardous than is necessary, and that the leaders should just have to deal with having them in the way.

[Zzvukttz]

But I do feel that the business of allowing lapped cars to overtake is potentially more hazardous than is necessary, and that the leaders should just have to deal with having them in the way.

But that wouldn't improve the "show" isn't it?!
They don't want us to see a healthy race, they want us to be excited over artificially crafted "close" running in cricles.

[fygESytT]

But that wouldn't improve the "show" isn't it?!
They don't want us to see a healthy race, they want us to be excited over artificially crafted "close" running in cricles.

While, as you know, I never tend to subscribe to 'conspiracy theories' about making the racing more artificial, I don't think having them being allowed to overtake does improve the show at all — quite the reverse, in fact. When there is a collision in those circumstances, the rule will be dropped, I'm quite sure.

[jurnalkduo]

While the SC was right to be deployed, I did wonder what was going on. The debris appeared to be cleared up, yet the field was still sorting itself out - in fact I think the lapped runners had still not overtaken the safety car. Bizarre..

[fygESytT]

While the SC was right to be deployed, I did wonder what was going on. The debris appeared to be cleared up, yet the field was still sorting itself out - in fact I think the lapped runners had still not overtaken the safety car. Bizarre..

I don't think they had either.

If it is still deemed unacceptable to overtake on the formation lap because it's 'unsafe', which it probably is while cars are weaving to gain tyre temperature, it ought to be deemed unacceptable for lapped cars to go through the field and join on the back of the queue.

[Illirmpipse]

That first deployment of the SC was pure nonsense. Apart from the fact that it robbed the leader of a handsome lead, the whole operation was stupid and dangerous.

The SC is supposed to control the cars at a safe speed. So, many cars were then waved past to continue racing at a much higher speed. What if there was somebody lying dangerously injured across the track?

I have argued for a blinking light system around the track where all cars are given say 5 seconds to slow to a standard safe speed, then this speed is controlled by race control. How difficult is that? What is the reason for permitting cars to continue at a high speed past the safety car after it is deployed?

This was my original post which was unfairly and without justification moved to be buried in this thread. I think it answers a lot of the questions asked subsequently.

I think the mode of deployment of the SC was stupid and dangerous. That cars were allowed to pass the SC and continue at uncontrolled speed well in excess of the SC will be a point which the FIA should address.

And finally, I am damn mad my thread was moved to be buried in this thread.

[Zzvukttz]

While, as you know, I never tend to subscribe to 'conspiracy theories' about making the racing more artificial, I don't think having them being allowed to overtake does improve the show at all — quite the reverse, in fact. When there is a collision in those circumstances, the rule will be dropped, I'm quite sure.

Let me explain it better. They do this in order to give the cars in direct contention the chance to attack the car in front when the SC retires to the pits. Having interposed backmarkers is hindering this.