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**Quick$bux** · 03-04-2009, 03:06 PM

We'll find out more tomorrow but Dieter Rencken makes some interesting points about the implications of the meeting on Autosport:

when last did F1 bosses collectively throw themselves to the wolves, and totally voluntarily at that?
Montezemolo...is likely to push for a greater say in the structure of the calendar, and overriding authority on rule changes.
a source has suggested that FOTA will insist upon representation on the board of the company directly responsible for Formula One Management's operations.
Demands for a greater say on the World Motor Sport Council...cannot be excluded.
FOTA could vote with its feet and start its own series from 2013
A proposal containing a wholesale revamp of the sporting regulations, including changes to the points' structure, qualifying and race formats and weekend timetables can be expected.
Such demands and concepts are likely to bring FOTA into direct conflict with FIA and FOM
it can be no coincidence that on Friday last Mosley announced yet another round of cost cuts...No driven wedge that statement from Mosley, but a razor-sharp, tempered cleaver...
The most fascinating aspect will be the reaction of the sport's governing body and the commercial rights' holder to FOTA's proposals and demands.

It's been almost thirty years since the FISA/FOCA 'war' but it seems history is repeating itself to some extent. This is all about the future control and direction of F1.

Interesting times

**teewHettive** · 03-04-2009, 04:51 PM

We'll find out more tomorrow but Dieter Rencken makes some interesting points about the implications of the meeting on Autosport:

when last did F1 bosses collectively throw themselves to the wolves, and totally voluntarily at that?

Montezemolo...is likely to push for a greater say in the structure of the calendar, and overriding authority on rule changes.

a source has suggested that FOTA will insist upon representation on the board of the company directly responsible for Formula One Management's operations.

Demands for a greater say on the World Motor Sport Council...cannot be excluded.

FOTA could vote with its feet and start its own series from 2013

A proposal containing a wholesale revamp of the sporting regulations, including changes to the points' structure, qualifying and race formats and weekend timetables can be expected.

Such demands and concepts are likely to bring FOTA into direct conflict with FIA and FOM

it can be no coincidence that on Friday last Mosley announced yet another round of cost cuts...No driven wedge that statement from Mosley, but a razor-sharp, tempered cleaver...

The most fascinating aspect will be the reaction of the sport's governing body and the commercial rights' holder to FOTA's proposals and demands.

It's been almost thirty years since the FISA/FOCA 'war' but it seems history is repeating itself to some extent. This is all about the future control and direction of F1.

Interesting times

I've been saying it for over a year now. Bloody war is coming and it finally looks like the teams have the right ethos and purpose to mount an effective campaign. It looks like this is the real deal this time and if Bernie and Max try to railroad it, they will become collatoral damage.

Unstoppable force meets irresistable object time methinks.

**aLZ9zKsO** · 03-04-2009, 06:26 PM

We'll find out more tomorrow but Dieter Rencken makes some interesting points about the implications of the meeting on Autosport:

when last did F1 bosses collectively throw themselves to the wolves, and totally voluntarily at that?

Montezemolo...is likely to push for a greater say in the structure of the calendar, and overriding authority on rule changes.

a source has suggested that FOTA will insist upon representation on the board of the company directly responsible for Formula One Management's operations.

Demands for a greater say on the World Motor Sport Council...cannot be excluded.

FOTA could vote with its feet and start its own series from 2013

A proposal containing a wholesale revamp of the sporting regulations, including changes to the points' structure, qualifying and race formats and weekend timetables can be expected.

Such demands and concepts are likely to bring FOTA into direct conflict with FIA and FOM

it can be no coincidence that on Friday last Mosley announced yet another round of cost cuts...No driven wedge that statement from Mosley, but a razor-sharp, tempered cleaver...

The most fascinating aspect will be the reaction of the sport's governing body and the commercial rights' holder to FOTA's proposals and demands.

It's been almost thirty years since the FISA/FOCA 'war' but it seems history is repeating itself to some extent. This is all about the future control and direction of F1.

Interesting times

I think that may be why Honda refused Bernie's buyout offer.

Bernie owning a team means no unanimity in FOTA, resulting in its own collapse.

**vSzsgifP** · 03-04-2009, 06:31 PM

I hope they've learnt from their US counterparts with the original "White Paper" and the eventual CART/IRL split.... We all know how well that turned out.

**aLZ9zKsO** · 03-04-2009, 06:32 PM

I hope they've learnt from their US counterparts with the original "White Paper" and the eventual CART/IRL split.... We all know how well that turned out.

Yep.

**tomspoumn** · 03-04-2009, 06:54 PM

I hope they've learnt from their US counterparts with the original "White Paper" and the eventual CART/IRL split.... We all know how well that turned out.

Just because someone in NA motor racing behaves like a tool it doesn't mean that everyone involved in motor racing is a tool.

**Equackasous** · 03-04-2009, 07:17 PM

Just because someone in NA motor racing behaves like a tool it doesn't mean that everyone involved in motor racing is a tool.

Well let's compare F1 to NA open wheel
Bernie= tool
Tony = tool

**tomspoumn** · 03-04-2009, 07:19 PM

Well let's compare F1 to NA open wheel
Bernie= tool
Tony = tool

Try comparing the team principals!

**Equackasous** · 03-04-2009, 07:33 PM

Try comparing the team principals!

That’s not what we were discussing. My comment is in regard to Andrewmcm's
If F1 splits from Bernie like in Indy car the guy who ends up running the show could be a complete disaster. So there is no use comparing principals, because if my memory serves me correctly there were some very good principals that got thrown under the bus when the split happened!
There are no assurances that it won't happen again

**Quick$bux** · 03-04-2009, 07:53 PM

I hope they've learnt from their US counterparts with the original "White Paper" and the eventual CART/IRL split.... We all know how well that turned out.

True.

I guess it could be argued that the FISA/FOCA split resulted in boom time for F1, with a lot of money coming into the sport. Like any other business though F1 is suffering at the moment and the question is whether the current structure of the sport is fit for purpose.

**SallyIsNice5** · 03-04-2009, 07:57 PM

Try comparing the team principals!

Chip Ganassi = tool

Ron Dennis = tool

though, I'm referring more to their personality traits than their day to day operations/business acumen.

**Kayacterype** · 03-05-2009, 02:31 AM

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73551

Whats your first feeling when you see this photo?:

**Kayacterype** · 03-05-2009, 02:35 AM

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73551

FOTA set to reveal plans for F1 revamp

By Jonathan Noble
Wednesday, March 4th 2009, 15:35 GMT

FOTAPlans to revise the qualifying format, adjustments to the points structure, mandatory tyre changes and more availability of team data for fans are believed to be some of the proposals due to unveiled by the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) in Geneva on Thursday.

The teams' body is holding its first official press conference since its formation last year. The event has been billed as a chance for the sport's competitors to outline their vision for a better F1, and will be graced by each team principal.

The original FOTA invitation said: "These plans are the result of a series of meetings held over the past few weeks and months, all of them with a common goal: to make Formula One commercially sustainable, environmentally friendly and compellingly attractive for spectators, TV viewers and internet consumers alike for years to come."

The final touches to the top secret proposals were put together on Wednesday when senior management from FOTA's teams met in Geneva to discuss the findings of a global market research survey conducted with fans.

Although FOTA has kept quiet about the plans for the press conference, autosport.com understands that it will take the shape of a main address from chairman Luca di Montezemolo before presentations from Ross Brawn on technical aspects, Martin Whitmarsh on sporting matters and Flavio Briatore on commercial points.

The three men are expected to unveil ideas that FOTA has come up and would like to see implemented in F1.

Sources suggest they will outline plans for some immediate changes to benefit fans - which will include the distribution of refueling and tyre data before the race, plus more widespread access to radio transmissions. They could also outline ideas to revamp the points system for 2009 – although it is not thought they will accept Bernie Ecclestone's suggestion for a medal system.

Longer term it is understood that FOTA is looking at more testing restrictions, a revised qualifying format and the introduction of mandatory pit stops even though refueling will be banned.

It is understood that FOTA will also announce plans to look into future track designs to help overtaking, plus implement further cost cutting measures for 2010 including the standardisation of KERS, limitations on materials that can be used and bodywork homologation.

Di Montezemolo said earlier this year that he felt F1's future would be best served if the sport's stakeholders worked together.

"I think the fundamental thing for F1 is to have a stable governance that doesn't create fights and constant changes every year, and that looks to the future with a strong unity of goals," he said.

"This is a sport with great potential that must however increase and maintain its characteristics, by putting together who goes to the circuits, the technological innovations offered by TV, starting from high-definition and everything else that innovates the show, like Internet and whatnot.

"We need to work all together on this: no one has a monopoly in F1. We need respect of the roles, but also a push towards the future."

**rfceicizgm** · 03-05-2009, 03:04 PM

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73551

Whats your first feeling when you see this photo?:

serious people working hard to find solutions for a better future for the humankind?

**tomspoumn** · 03-05-2009, 03:19 PM

Chip Ganassi = tool

Ron Dennis = tool

though, I'm referring more to their personality traits than their day to day operations/business acumen.

Now that you finished with the "tools" in F1 try the same for: Williams, Montezemolo, Briatore, Howett, Mateschitz and Mallya.

**irrascaft** · 03-05-2009, 05:27 PM

Can't say I'm too impressed with some of these suggestions, however provisional or speculative they may be at this stage.

Mandatory pitstops even though refuelling is banned? Well then what is the point of banning refuelling? The opportunity for some drivers to trade-off taking it a bit easier and trying to last on one set of tyres would be taken away from us.

A standard KERS system? Well then what was the point of introducing it in the first place (at great cost, apparently)? If it's standardised then it stops being a worthwhile element of the car and is just an environmental gimmick and a glorified push-to-pass button.

Bodywork homologation? So basically, combined with this wonderful engine freeze, if somebody turns up in Australia with a dominant car then there's not a lot any of the other teams can do to catch up!

Revised qualifying format? Well this could go either way, but I'd hope they'd make it a bit more simple and straight forward like pre-2003 rather than come up with another complex convoluted system.

On the plus side, refuelling/tyre data and radio transmissions - good. Same with looking into improving internet coverage. I also trust these guys far more than Max and/or Bernie to shape the sport's future, but I really hope they think out any changes carefully rather than any more knee jerk reactions that have ruined the sport from 2003 onwards. I mean where is the fans survey that Ron Dennis hinted at when talking about this at ASI?

**Quick$bux** · 03-05-2009, 07:02 PM

The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) has called for an immediate change to the world championship's points system.
Under proposals announced by FOTA at its press conference in Geneva today, the points for a race win would rise from 10 to 12, with nine points for second and seven for third.
Positions four to eight would continue to score in the current 5-4-3-2-1 manner.

The other immediate change to the sporting regulations that FOTA is proposing is to make each car's starting fuel load public before the race to make the grands prix easier to understand. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73562

The Formula One Teams' Association on Thursday unveiled further plans to keep reducing the costs of competing in grand prix racing, including restrictions on how many development upgrades each team can introduce per season. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73563

**SallyIsNice5** · 03-05-2009, 07:22 PM

Who is retarded - me or FOTA?

Why would anyone want to know fuel loads if refuelling is banned?

This is why pit stops shouldn't be mandatory:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/7924981.stm

**tomspoumn** · 03-05-2009, 08:34 PM

Who is retarded - me or FOTA?

Easy pick! It's not you.

**vSzsgifP** · 03-05-2009, 09:17 PM

Not sure I like the shorter race distance idea much.....

03-04-2009, 03:06 PM	#1
Quick$bux Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 571 Senior Member	FOTA Press Conference We'll find out more tomorrow but Dieter Rencken makes some interesting points about the implications of the meeting on Autosport: when last did F1 bosses collectively throw themselves to the wolves, and totally voluntarily at that? Montezemolo...is likely to push for a greater say in the structure of the calendar, and overriding authority on rule changes. a source has suggested that FOTA will insist upon representation on the board of the company directly responsible for Formula One Management's operations. Demands for a greater say on the World Motor Sport Council...cannot be excluded. FOTA could vote with its feet and start its own series from 2013 A proposal containing a wholesale revamp of the sporting regulations, including changes to the points' structure, qualifying and race formats and weekend timetables can be expected. Such demands and concepts are likely to bring FOTA into direct conflict with FIA and FOM it can be no coincidence that on Friday last Mosley announced yet another round of cost cuts...No driven wedge that statement from Mosley, but a razor-sharp, tempered cleaver... The most fascinating aspect will be the reaction of the sport's governing body and the commercial rights' holder to FOTA's proposals and demands. It's been almost thirty years since the FISA/FOCA 'war' but it seems history is repeating itself to some extent. This is all about the future control and direction of F1. Interesting times Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2009, 04:51 PM	#2
teewHettive Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 525 Senior Member	We'll find out more tomorrow but Dieter Rencken makes some interesting points about the implications of the meeting on Autosport: when last did F1 bosses collectively throw themselves to the wolves, and totally voluntarily at that? Montezemolo...is likely to push for a greater say in the structure of the calendar, and overriding authority on rule changes. a source has suggested that FOTA will insist upon representation on the board of the company directly responsible for Formula One Management's operations. Demands for a greater say on the World Motor Sport Council...cannot be excluded. FOTA could vote with its feet and start its own series from 2013 A proposal containing a wholesale revamp of the sporting regulations, including changes to the points' structure, qualifying and race formats and weekend timetables can be expected. Such demands and concepts are likely to bring FOTA into direct conflict with FIA and FOM it can be no coincidence that on Friday last Mosley announced yet another round of cost cuts...No driven wedge that statement from Mosley, but a razor-sharp, tempered cleaver... The most fascinating aspect will be the reaction of the sport's governing body and the commercial rights' holder to FOTA's proposals and demands. It's been almost thirty years since the FISA/FOCA 'war' but it seems history is repeating itself to some extent. This is all about the future control and direction of F1. Interesting times I've been saying it for over a year now. Bloody war is coming and it finally looks like the teams have the right ethos and purpose to mount an effective campaign. It looks like this is the real deal this time and if Bernie and Max try to railroad it, they will become collatoral damage. Unstoppable force meets irresistable object time methinks. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2009, 06:26 PM	#3
aLZ9zKsO Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	We'll find out more tomorrow but Dieter Rencken makes some interesting points about the implications of the meeting on Autosport: when last did F1 bosses collectively throw themselves to the wolves, and totally voluntarily at that? Montezemolo...is likely to push for a greater say in the structure of the calendar, and overriding authority on rule changes. a source has suggested that FOTA will insist upon representation on the board of the company directly responsible for Formula One Management's operations. Demands for a greater say on the World Motor Sport Council...cannot be excluded. FOTA could vote with its feet and start its own series from 2013 A proposal containing a wholesale revamp of the sporting regulations, including changes to the points' structure, qualifying and race formats and weekend timetables can be expected. Such demands and concepts are likely to bring FOTA into direct conflict with FIA and FOM it can be no coincidence that on Friday last Mosley announced yet another round of cost cuts...No driven wedge that statement from Mosley, but a razor-sharp, tempered cleaver... The most fascinating aspect will be the reaction of the sport's governing body and the commercial rights' holder to FOTA's proposals and demands. It's been almost thirty years since the FISA/FOCA 'war' but it seems history is repeating itself to some extent. This is all about the future control and direction of F1. Interesting times I think that may be why Honda refused Bernie's buyout offer. Bernie owning a team means no unanimity in FOTA, resulting in its own collapse. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2009, 06:31 PM	#4
vSzsgifP Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 437 Senior Member	I hope they've learnt from their US counterparts with the original "White Paper" and the eventual CART/IRL split.... We all know how well that turned out. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2009, 06:32 PM	#5
aLZ9zKsO Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	I hope they've learnt from their US counterparts with the original "White Paper" and the eventual CART/IRL split.... We all know how well that turned out. Yep. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2009, 06:54 PM	#6
tomspoumn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 399 Senior Member	I hope they've learnt from their US counterparts with the original "White Paper" and the eventual CART/IRL split.... We all know how well that turned out. Just because someone in NA motor racing behaves like a tool it doesn't mean that everyone involved in motor racing is a tool. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2009, 07:17 PM	#7
Equackasous Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 468 Senior Member	Just because someone in NA motor racing behaves like a tool it doesn't mean that everyone involved in motor racing is a tool. Well let's compare F1 to NA open wheel Bernie= tool Tony = tool Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2009, 07:19 PM	#8
tomspoumn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 399 Senior Member	Well let's compare F1 to NA open wheel Bernie= tool Tony = tool Try comparing the team principals! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2009, 07:33 PM	#9
Equackasous Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 468 Senior Member	Try comparing the team principals! That’s not what we were discussing. My comment is in regard to Andrewmcm's If F1 splits from Bernie like in Indy car the guy who ends up running the show could be a complete disaster. So there is no use comparing principals, because if my memory serves me correctly there were some very good principals that got thrown under the bus when the split happened! There are no assurances that it won't happen again Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2009, 07:53 PM	#10
Quick$bux Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 571 Senior Member	I hope they've learnt from their US counterparts with the original "White Paper" and the eventual CART/IRL split.... We all know how well that turned out. True. I guess it could be argued that the FISA/FOCA split resulted in boom time for F1, with *a lot* of money coming into the sport. Like any other business though F1 is suffering at the moment and the question is whether the current structure of the sport is fit for purpose. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2009, 07:57 PM	#11
SallyIsNice5 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 553 Senior Member	Try comparing the team principals! Chip Ganassi = tool Ron Dennis = tool though, I'm referring more to their personality traits than their day to day operations/business acumen. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-05-2009, 02:31 AM	#12
Kayacterype Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 397 Senior Member	http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73551 Whats your first feeling when you see this photo?: Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-05-2009, 02:35 AM	#13
Kayacterype Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 397 Senior Member	http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73551 FOTA set to reveal plans for F1 revamp By Jonathan Noble Wednesday, March 4th 2009, 15:35 GMT FOTAPlans to revise the qualifying format, adjustments to the points structure, mandatory tyre changes and more availability of team data for fans are believed to be some of the proposals due to unveiled by the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) in Geneva on Thursday. The teams' body is holding its first official press conference since its formation last year. The event has been billed as a chance for the sport's competitors to outline their vision for a better F1, and will be graced by each team principal. The original FOTA invitation said: "These plans are the result of a series of meetings held over the past few weeks and months, all of them with a common goal: to make Formula One commercially sustainable, environmentally friendly and compellingly attractive for spectators, TV viewers and internet consumers alike for years to come." The final touches to the top secret proposals were put together on Wednesday when senior management from FOTA's teams met in Geneva to discuss the findings of a global market research survey conducted with fans. Although FOTA has kept quiet about the plans for the press conference, autosport.com understands that it will take the shape of a main address from chairman Luca di Montezemolo before presentations from Ross Brawn on technical aspects, Martin Whitmarsh on sporting matters and Flavio Briatore on commercial points. The three men are expected to unveil ideas that FOTA has come up and would like to see implemented in F1. Sources suggest they will outline plans for some immediate changes to benefit fans - which will include the distribution of refueling and tyre data before the race, plus more widespread access to radio transmissions. They could also outline ideas to revamp the points system for 2009 – although it is not thought they will accept Bernie Ecclestone's suggestion for a medal system. Longer term it is understood that FOTA is looking at more testing restrictions, a revised qualifying format and the introduction of mandatory pit stops even though refueling will be banned. It is understood that FOTA will also announce plans to look into future track designs to help overtaking, plus implement further cost cutting measures for 2010 including the standardisation of KERS, limitations on materials that can be used and bodywork homologation. Di Montezemolo said earlier this year that he felt F1's future would be best served if the sport's stakeholders worked together. "I think the fundamental thing for F1 is to have a stable governance that doesn't create fights and constant changes every year, and that looks to the future with a strong unity of goals," he said. "This is a sport with great potential that must however increase and maintain its characteristics, by putting together who goes to the circuits, the technological innovations offered by TV, starting from high-definition and everything else that innovates the show, like Internet and whatnot. "We need to work all together on this: no one has a monopoly in F1. We need respect of the roles, but also a push towards the future." Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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rfceicizgm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 479 Senior Member	http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73551 Whats your first feeling when you see this photo?: serious people working hard to find solutions for a better future for the humankind? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-05-2009, 03:19 PM	#15
tomspoumn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 399 Senior Member	Chip Ganassi = tool Ron Dennis = tool though, I'm referring more to their personality traits than their day to day operations/business acumen. Now that you finished with the "tools" in F1 try the same for: Williams, Montezemolo, Briatore, Howett, Mateschitz and Mallya. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-05-2009, 05:27 PM	#16
irrascaft Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 412 Senior Member	Can't say I'm too impressed with some of these suggestions, however provisional or speculative they may be at this stage. Mandatory pitstops even though refuelling is banned? Well then what is the point of banning refuelling? The opportunity for some drivers to trade-off taking it a bit easier and trying to last on one set of tyres would be taken away from us. A standard KERS system? Well then what was the point of introducing it in the first place (at great cost, apparently)? If it's standardised then it stops being a worthwhile element of the car and is just an environmental gimmick and a glorified push-to-pass button. Bodywork homologation? So basically, combined with this wonderful engine freeze, if somebody turns up in Australia with a dominant car then there's not a lot any of the other teams can do to catch up! Revised qualifying format? Well this could go either way, but I'd hope they'd make it a bit more simple and straight forward like pre-2003 rather than come up with another complex convoluted system. On the plus side, refuelling/tyre data and radio transmissions - good. Same with looking into improving internet coverage. I also trust these guys far more than Max and/or Bernie to shape the sport's future, but I really hope they think out any changes carefully rather than any more knee jerk reactions that have ruined the sport from 2003 onwards. I mean where is the fans survey that Ron Dennis hinted at when talking about this at ASI? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-05-2009, 07:02 PM	#17
Quick$bux Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 571 Senior Member	The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) has called for an immediate change to the world championship's points system. Under proposals announced by FOTA at its press conference in Geneva today, the points for a race win would rise from 10 to 12, with nine points for second and seven for third. Positions four to eight would continue to score in the current 5-4-3-2-1 manner. The other immediate change to the sporting regulations that FOTA is proposing is to make each car's starting fuel load public before the race to make the grands prix easier to understand. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73562 The Formula One Teams' Association on Thursday unveiled further plans to keep reducing the costs of competing in grand prix racing, including restrictions on how many development upgrades each team can introduce per season. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73563 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-05-2009, 07:22 PM	#18
SallyIsNice5 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 553 Senior Member	Who is retarded - me or FOTA? Why would anyone want to know fuel loads if refuelling is banned? This is why pit stops shouldn't be mandatory: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/7924981.stm Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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tomspoumn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 399 Senior Member	Who is retarded - me or FOTA? Easy pick! It's not you. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-05-2009, 09:17 PM	#20
vSzsgifP Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 437 Senior Member	Not sure I like the shorter race distance idea much..... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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