[Pelefaifs]

Simple , Trump , Max knows that , with all the openly discussed details about the money Bernie earns , and then uses to manipulate the game , that it won't be long before someone asks Bernie whether he only has ideas for how everyone else can tighten belts , or if he will take a pay cut himself .

To have the teams aligned , and especially with the rest comfortable having Luca forefront and at the helm , means that the alliance is truely strong , and the idea of setting up another series could be viable .
To recognize this right off , takes it , as a threat , out of the negotiations , and shows just how geniune the negotiations truely are .

[lierro]

Independent of the FIA is how I read it.

I rather read it independent of F1,FOM, CVC and Bernie, given that the FIA will still 'be ready to recognize' it!

[lierro]

That's an interesting take on it, but why would the teams want to go their own way? Why does Max feel the need to introduce that prospect, particularly at this moment in time?

MONEY is the answer!

[lierro]

My guess is... Max is trying to remain in the game... even to the point of leaving Bernie out.

I agree, that is how it looks!

Something has caused this... just what... is yet to be determined.

Bernie backstabbing him during "MaxGate"?

[Broorbbub]

Well, out of all this I just want a great motorsport series that interests and excites me.

Have you been to Bathurst yet?

[EvonsRorgon]

Have you been to Bathurst yet?

I enjoy V8 Supercars, but the most exciting thing about F1 for me is the brilliant talents of the drivers. V8 Supercar drivers aren't in the same league. Plus, the majority of the V8 races are too short.

[thushioli]

MONEY is the answer!

Quite possibly. Perhaps Max introduced the prospect of an "independent series" to encourage the teams to split from the current commercial arrangement they and the FIA have with CVC?

[ScosyGissiok]

Bernie backstabbing him during "MaxGate"?

You didn't fall for that choreographed charade did you?

[lierro]

Quite possibly. Perhaps Max introduced the prospect of an "independent series" to encourage the teams to split from the current commercial arrangement they and the FIA have with CVC?

That might be the case.
Max has been supporting cost cutting and a fairer revenue splitting with the teams for a long time already.

[ScosyGissiok]

That might be the case.
Max has been supporting cost cutting and a fairer revenue splitting with the teams for a long time already.

Such a shame all he ever end up doing is forcing them to spend gazillions with every stroke of his pen when re-hashing the rules. Smart thinking there, eh?

[lierro]

You didn't fall for that choreographed charade did you?

Choreographed?!
It was to much even for joke, let lone for a choreographed move.

Bernie was acting on his own and was trying to get F1 completely under his own influence, luckily for us it didn't work out.

[quorceopporce]

I rather read it independent of F1,FOM, CVC and Bernie, given that the FIA will still 'be ready to recognize' it!

To me, an 'independent' series means independent of the official FIA one, but you may be right.

[quorceopporce]

Quite possibly. Perhaps Max introduced the prospect of an "independent series" to encourage the teams to split from the current commercial arrangement they and the FIA have with CVC?

It's an interesting thought. If so, this would be a very clever and, I feel, potentially positive move, depending of course on the commercial arrangements that come about thereafter.

[thushioli]

Max has been supporting cost cutting...

I think this is in danger of becoming an urban myth Sure, he's talked about costs over the years, but as SGWilko points out, the many rule changes introduced by Max in the same period have cost money not saved it.

In addition it's my opinion that Max (and Bernie) have discouraged small 'privateer' teams (remember the $48m bond required to enter F1), and instead encouraged manufacturers to spend their money in the sport which has had the effect of increasing costs dramatically. Not so very long ago we were seeing annual budgets of $20m, and they're now 25 times that in some cases.

...and a fairer revenue splitting with the teams for a long time already.

Not so sure I've seen many comments from Max on this subject.

[thushioli]

It's an interesting thought. If so, this would be a very clever and, I feel, potentially positive move, depending of course on the commercial arrangements that come about thereafter.

My concern is we've entered a period of a CART/IRL-type tug of war over the future of the sport and I don't feel too positive about that prospect

Perhaps Max, having created F2, is trying to encourage the teams towards an F1 that is shaped along similar lines. Quite how the FIA could extract itself from their arrangement with CVC if that is the case is unclear to me, and whether the teams would even consider going along with it is another question as well.

[lierro]

I think this is in danger of becoming an urban myth Sure, he's talked about costs over the years, but as SGWilko points out, the many rule changes introduced by Max in the same period have cost money not saved it.

In addition it's my opinion that Max (and Bernie) have discouraged small 'privateer' teams (remember the $48m bond required to enter F1), and instead encouraged manufacturers to spend their money in the sport which has had the effect of increasing costs dramatically. Not so very long ago we were seeing annual budgets of $20m, and they're now 25 times that in some cases.

Not so sure I've seen many comments from Max on this subject.

I know you hate him, but a he did exactly what I said and there are articles relating that. Don't ask me to give you links, I've got very little time ATM.

[lierro]

My concern is we've entered a period of a CART/IRL-type tug of war over the future of the sport and I don't feel too positive about that prospect

Perhaps Max, having created F2, is trying to encourage the teams towards an F1 that is shaped along similar lines. Quite how the FIA could extract itself from their arrangement with CVC if that is the case is unclear to me, and whether the teams would even consider going along with it is another question as well.

The FIA aren't going to do anything with F1 so whatever agreement they have with the FOM or CVC stands. The commercial rights holder's only problem will be that there will be no more teams in their series!

[thushioli]

I know you hate him...

You're wrong about that. I am, however, critical of much of what he has done to the sport and very dubious about this idea which seems to be around that he is the saviour of a situation which he, in part, created.

...he did exactly what I said and there are articles relating that. Don't ask me to give you links, I've got very little time ATM.

I doubt doubt you, but I'd appreciate those links

The FIA aren't going to do anything with F1 so whatever agreement they have with the FOM or CVC stands. The commercial rights holder's only problem will be that there will be no more teams in their series!

But that's a bit like Max saying "it's my ball and I don't want to play anymore." That may work in the playground but I just don't see how the FIA would be able to "drop" F1, leaving CVC with nothing, and create (or support) an "independent series" which to all intents and purposes would be same as the F1 series CVC has an agreement for with the FIA

[NerbuitW]

I think Max should say something similar about rallying, given that there has already in effect been a split with the establishment of the IRC. Yet he remains utterly silent on the subject, as far as I have seen/heard.

This is a question that really needs to be asked. All these statements, all with good intentions, of saving F1 - all the while the WRC is falling to pieces. Why wasn't anything done years ago when the warning signs were there?
We need a FIA President who shows more interest to the other non-F1 Motorsports.

[thushioli]

I doubt doubt you, but I'd appreciate those links

I mean I don't doubt you