[quorceopporce]

What made you think that?

I just believe that this might be a clear case of out of court settlement followed by dropped charges. No way is that a world legal first. It happens every day.

You were clearly suggesting something unusual about it — that the scenario belonged in a 'fairy tale', for one thing.

[maysubers]

Look, I have expressed my views on Ron Dennis more than enough times on this forum and I find him a weirdo and I dislike the whole McLaren team. But to think this case was anything other than a money-making scheme from a person looking to get rich quickly, is quite embarrassing. We all know that such racism and sexism accusations are a great way to make a quick buck in this world filled with political correctness and fear of being percieved as even remotely intolerant .

[quorceopporce]

I feel quite sorry for the complainant, because to me his behaviour is that of someone who has personal problems of some sort, which isn't nice for anyone.

[ScosyGissiok]

Now, the way I view this case is as follows;

The guy Boland fell asleep on the job, and it is allegeged he was also rude on occasion to guests of McLaren.

Ron asked him to leave, and as I understand, the proper disciplinary procedure was not followed. This has been admitted by Ron.

Boland seems to have seen $$$$ in his eyes, and taken the case to a tribunal, fabricating homophobic and racist stories to up the ante.

It's all gone a bit pear shaped for the guy, and he has had to backtrack.

Does ne1 seriously think that, being under the scrutiny that he constantly is, Ron would cause this backtrack by paying attempting the pay off this chap.

Ioan, please don't insult our itelligence fella, it really is quite demeaning.

[lierro]

Ioan, please don't insult our itelligence fella, it really is quite demeaning.

Don't play that card Wilko, I'm not falling for it.

[Tactattcahhaw]

But dropping the case and admitting you lied and made it all up are different things

"...for wasting their time with what I now realise were unfounded allegations. In particular, I apologise to Mr Dennis for suggesting that he is, or was, either racist or homophobic, or that he ever made any remarks or performed any actions that would suggest that he was. I feel great remorse for the upset that I now realise I have needlessly caused to him"

That suggests to me that the guy knew he was in the wrong, so suggesting he was paid off is a bit of a stretch. Regardless, I'm sure the News of the World will run his story in, erm, about three years time

I agree with you. At least in the States, when there are out of court settlements, neither party will comment... much less one party admitting that they wasted the other party's time, now feel remorse, etc., etc.

Did Ron Dennis have a countersuit filed or something along those lines? It certainly seems like something rocked this fellow back on his heels.

[quorceopporce]

Did Ron Dennis have a countersuit filed or something along those lines? It certainly seems like something rocked this fellow back on his heels.

Now this could be a genuine possibility, unlike some others mentioned here. The statement from Boland is clearly couched in legal-eze.

[estheticianI]

I must admit I really don't care about this story as it has little to do with Formula one. To be honest whatever the outcome of this decision, the 'Mclaren Haters' will make something of it regardless. It would be exactly the same with the minorities if it was Stefano Domenicalli and Ferrari. Sensationalism and media hype IMO.

[bribiaLaubysdggf]

I agree with you. At least in the States, when there are out of court settlements, neither party will comment... much less one party admitting that they wasted the other party's time, now feel remorse, etc., etc.

That was the point I was trying to make, if the case had just collapsed then fine, but he was under no obligation to say he was in the wrong - which suggests to me that he was.

I think the explanation above by Wilko about the steward getting a bit greedy and getting in too deep sounds feasible, and I doubt that Ron Dennis would risk paying someone hush-money.

Never saw someone push ahead with a legal process for a long time, lose lots of time and money, just to realize one morning that he is wrong and than drop the charges. This only happens in fairy tales.
In real life charges are dropped after a settlement out of court.

I think the point I/we are trying to make is that he was wrong all along, fabricated some (or all) elements of his story and had to make a rather public apology when he realised McLaren were taking this seriously. Maybe he hoped they'd just pay him a few grand to go away, seems to have backfired on him.

But as ever, I don't suppose we'll ever know for sure..

[Discus]

You are obviously missing some of the F1 press, especially the one that isn't afraid of writing about RD.

No offense but you often don't know what happens or happened in F1 not so long ago.

I take it once again your not going to bother linking this source which no one else has talked about, presuming no one else has seen.

I check usual press coverage on a regular basis. But I don't read 'Ioans Fantasies' - hence I don't really know about stuff you refer to.

And yes I feel similar, you often don't know what happens or happened in F1 not so long ago.

[Discus]

Maybe it is as you say, but I don't think that is the case.

See thats better, you admit that it is your opinion he was paid off. Thats fair enough. In previous posts to this one, you go on as if its a fact.

Maybe its because English isn't your first language and not up to scratch, but its a line you seem to cross continously.

[sharpyure]

So what, it's my opinion and it can't be precluded without denying my right to freedom of speech.

I must say I’m very impressed with your intimate knowledge of both this particular case and the finer points of the British Administrative Justice and Tribunals Council system in general. You must have read the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act of 2007 from cover to cover. Although you seem to have skipped the part where it makes clear that the tribunal is presided over by a legally qualified Chair essentially a lay person/people with a legal background rather than a bona fide high court Judge or magistrate, I could continue highlighting errors and discrepancies in your so called argument but there isn’t really any point is there? Since you regard other people’s facts as being inferior to your potentially libelous unqualified opinions
I’m sure it’s nothing to do with you enjoying Schadenfreude about Ron’s situation.

[lierro]

I must say I’m very impressed with your intimate knowledge of both this particular case and the finer points of the British Administrative Justice and Tribunals Council system in general. You must have read the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act of 2007 from cover to cover. Although you seem to have skipped the part where it makes clear that the tribunal is presided over by a legally qualified Chair essentially a lay person/people with a legal background rather than a bona fide high court Judge or magistrate, I could continue highlighting errors and discrepancies in your so called argument but there isn’t really any point is there? Since you regard other people’s facts as being inferior to your potentially libelous unqualified opinions
I’m sure it’s nothing to do with you enjoying Schadenfreude about Ron’s situation.

Bla bla bla, attacking the poster and not the post is what you always do, not worth of an answer.

[ScosyGissiok]

not worth of an answer.

So why did you then? Crazy!

[lierro]

So why did you then? Crazy!

Do you call that a real answer? Also read my previous post to you in the other thread.

[ScosyGissiok]

Do you call that a real answer?

No, I call it Bob, as in my Mothers' brother (Bob's your Uncle and all that!!!)

Also read my previous post to you in the other thread.

Been there, done that and now have the T-Shirt.....

[lierro]

Been there, done that and now have the T-Shirt.....

Good, take care not to get a cold.

[ScosyGissiok]

Good, take care not to get a cold.

Hope not, had four in less than 3 months already thanks.

[lierro]

Hope not, had four in less than 3 months already thanks.

Than you better put on your ... jacket!

PS: And don't forget to fill your pipe.

[ScosyGissiok]

Than you better put on your ... jacket!

PS: And don't forget to fill your pipe.

Ba dum, tish!