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The previous (rather unpleasant) thread on the subject was closed, but just to set one matter straight: the steward who had previously made claims of homophobia and unfair dismissal again Ron Dennis has now admitted that his claims were totally unfounded.

http://www.f1technical.net/news/11395
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...44920&PO=44920
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21100.html

[lierro]

I'd like to know how much he got paid in order to drop the case.

[thushioli]

I'd like to know how much he got paid in order to drop the case.

So he was paid Where's the link to that story Or is it totally unfounded like Boland's allegations

[lierro]

They made him several proposals already in order to drop the case and he still pushed ahead.
The fact that the case was accepted by a tribunal means that a judge decided that he had the right to accuse Ron.

IMO Ron raised the amount to an acceptable level and Bolland drooped his case. A win win situation.
More will come out in the press, don't worry, sooner or later we'ill know the amount paid to calm the spirits.

[quorceopporce]

I'd like to know how much he got paid in order to drop the case.

I would suggest that this action is potentially libellous unless evidence of the 'payment' can be provided.

[EvonsRorgon]

Good.

[Discus]

They made him several proposals already in order to drop the case and he still pushed ahead.
The fact that the case was accepted by a tribunal means that a judge decided that he had the right to accuse Ron.

IMO Ron raised the amount to an acceptable level and Bolland drooped his case. A win win situation.
More will come out in the press, don't worry, sooner or later we'ill know the amount paid to calm the spirits.

Ioan - I hate to sound like I'm picking on you as I know your quite sensitive.

But where did you get this from? Have you got a link?

I read all the relevant F1 press on a daily basis, and somehow you come up with these "factual" events I've never heard of, and in most cases, unwilling to source them.

[lierro]

I would suggest that this action is potentially libellous unless evidence of the 'payment' can be provided.

So what, it's my opinion and it can't be precluded without denying my right to freedom of speech.

[lierro]

Ioan - I hate to sound like I'm picking on you as I know your quite sensitive.

But where did you get this from? Have you got a link?

I read all the relevant F1 press on a daily basis, and somehow you come up with these "factual" events I've never heard of, and in most cases, unwilling to source them.

You are obviously missing some of the F1 press, especially the one that isn't afraid of writing about RD.

No offense but you often don't know what happens or happened in F1 not so long ago.

[wasssallx]

Well, if Ferrari can pay off FIA stewards to ignore blatant breaches of regulations...

[quorceopporce]

So what, it's my opinion and it can't be precluded without denying my right to freedom of speech.

You wouldn't be saying 'so what?' if you were to get sued.

[quorceopporce]

You are obviously missing some of the F1 press, especially the one that isn't afraid of writing about RD.

No offense but you often don't know what happens or happened in F1 not so long ago.

Where in those statements is any actual evidence that what you think is true?

[maysubers]

You wouldn't be saying 'so what?' if you were to get sued.

Nobody will bother suing an internet nobody like him.

This case, as most racism and sexism allegations, are jokes and would be laughed at in serious courts.

[bribiaLaubysdggf]

They made him several proposals already in order to drop the case and he still pushed ahead.
The fact that the case was accepted by a tribunal means that a judge decided that he had the right to accuse Ron.

IMO Ron raised the amount to an acceptable level and Bolland drooped his case. A win win situation.
More will come out in the press, don't worry, sooner or later we'ill know the amount paid to calm the spirits.

But dropping the case and admitting you lied and made it all up are different things

"...for wasting their time with what I now realise were unfounded allegations. In particular, I apologise to Mr Dennis for suggesting that he is, or was, either racist or homophobic, or that he ever made any remarks or performed any actions that would suggest that he was. I feel great remorse for the upset that I now realise I have needlessly caused to him"

That suggests to me that the guy knew he was in the wrong, so suggesting he was paid off is a bit of a stretch. Regardless, I'm sure the News of the World will run his story in, erm, about three years time

[quorceopporce]

Nobody will bother suing an internet nobody like him.

This is true, but one genuinely can't be too careful nowadays with what one says on the web.

[lierro]

But dropping the case and admitting you lied and made it all up are different things

"...for wasting their time with what I now realise were unfounded allegations. In particular, I apologise to Mr Dennis for suggesting that he is, or was, either racist or homophobic, or that he ever made any remarks or performed any actions that would suggest that he was. I feel great remorse for the upset that I now realise I have needlessly caused to him"

That suggests to me that the guy knew he was in the wrong, so suggesting he was paid off is a bit of a stretch. Regardless, I'm sure the News of the World will run his story in, erm, about three years time

The question is: how did he realize that he was in the wrong only after such a long time?!

And how the hell did a tribunal accept his case if he was wrong?!

I don't buy it.

Sure Ron isn't racist, there is no question about that after all he has a black driver that he even favored last season, not to mention he is long time friend and partnet with Mansour Ojjeh whom is not Caucasian either.

But still the guy was shown the door and his case was accepted and was offered money for a settlement on several occasions before today.

[quorceopporce]

The question is: how did he realize that he was in the wrong only after such a long time?!

And how the hell did a tribunal accept his case if he was wrong?!

I don't buy it.

Sure Ron isn't racist, there is no question about that after all he has a black driver that he even favored last season, not to mention he is long time friend and partnet with Mansour Ojjeh whom is not Caucasian either.

But still the guy was shown the door and his case was accepted and was offered money for a settlement on several occasions before today.

Any evidence of the complainant being paid off? Thought not.

And as for this statement: 'And how the hell did a tribunal accept his case if he was wrong?!'... well, words almost fail me. Tribunals don't only occur when the complainant is right. This is how the legal system works. This is hardly the first tribunal in which the complaint has been withdrawn and the case collapsed. Are you suggesting that all the previous ones in which exactly this has happened involved the complainant being paid off, or just this one?

[lierro]

Everyone is reacting like if the case was dismissed by the court because the judge thought that the guy was wrong, when in fact he was the one who dropped his charges.

There is a difference.

Never saw someone push ahead with a legal process for a long time, lose lots of time and money, just to realize one morning that he is wrong and than drop the charges. This only happens in fairy tales.
In real life charges are dropped after a settlement out of court.

Maybe it is as you say, but I don't think that is the case.

[quorceopporce]

Everyone is reacting like if the case was dismissed by the court because the judge thought that the guy was wrong, when in fact he was the one who dropped his charges.

There is a difference.

Never saw someone push ahead with a legal process for a long time, lose lots of time and money, just to realize one morning that he is wrong and than drop the charges. This only happens in fairy tales.
In real life charges are dropped after a settlement.

ioan, your opinions are becoming increasingly... er, 'remarkable'. Are you honestly suggesting that this was a world legal first?

[lierro]

ioan, your opinions are becoming increasingly... er, 'remarkable'. Are you honestly suggesting that this was a world legal first?

What made you think that?

I just believe that this might be a clear case of out of court settlement followed by dropped charges. No way is that a world legal first. It happens every day.