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**luspikals** · 12-25-2008, 08:18 PM

This is an interesting one....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72574

"The more pressure you put on Fernando, the better he gets. Michael was not so good at handling pressure."

**casinoboneerer** · 12-25-2008, 09:16 PM

yea yea big mouth big words

**agildeta** · 12-26-2008, 07:46 AM

Fred has proven his salt against the best!
At this point in his career he does not toot his own horn!
He doesn't need to!
I hope that Lewis does the same!

**pupyississido** · 12-26-2008, 09:33 AM

This is an interesting one....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72574

"The more pressure you put on Fernando, the better he gets. Michael was not so good at handling pressure."

The great one has finally spoken....

Quick question for everyone. If you were a team boss and had to chose between MS or Alonso then who would you pick ? That should sum it all...

**agildeta** · 12-26-2008, 11:09 AM

The great one has finally spoken....

Quick question for everyone. If you were a team boss and had to chose between MS or Alonso then who would you pick ? That should sum it all...

But......Fred......Retired.......Mike's......A$$

I admire the heck out of Mike!
But, I honestly don't think your comment sums up squat on a squat stick!

It's a very tough choice!

**Romarionsion** · 12-26-2008, 12:01 PM

The great one has finally spoken....

Quick question for everyone. If you were a team boss and had to chose between MS or Alonso then who would you pick ? That should sum it all...

he was probably more team principal behind the scenes then most team "managers"

OTOH That would depend on whether my ego would let MS dominate the team management as much as he did at ferrari, something Flavio found out when he was left behind

No, if i were flavio, freddy would definetly be my choice but i ain't, so MS would be my choice.....

As to the news article, freddie being better at handling pressure????, well, it appears that freddie has not had exactly an outstanding history of being calm, cool and collected either inside or outside the car......

**BEKREUNSEPBERw** · 12-26-2008, 05:15 PM

Not a tough choice for me at all really, but yes when it comes to pressure management though, I'd have to say MS did overcook it a few times, but Alonso just messes it all up sometimes when he's not even under pressure.

**luspikals** · 12-26-2008, 06:40 PM

Not a tough choice for me at all really, but yes when it comes to pressure management though, I'd have to say MS did overcook it a few times, but Alonso just messes it all up sometimes when he's not even under pressure.

I think that in some ways ties into what Briatore is saying. Look at 2006 - high pressure season for both, and Alonso made less on track mistakes.

**rfceicizgm** · 12-27-2008, 01:43 AM

The great one has finally spoken....

Quick question for everyone. If you were a team boss and had to chose between MS or Alonso then who would you pick ? That should sum it all...

it does?? Then I guess Fred´s the man. Good night.

**bataovady** · 12-27-2008, 02:43 AM

The great one has finally spoken....

Quick question for everyone. If you were a team boss and had to chose between MS or Alonso then who would you pick ? That should sum it all...

Alonso, because MS is already "too old". So what does it sum up?

**lierro** · 12-28-2008, 03:09 AM

But......Fred......Retired.......Mike's......A$$

That's bollocks. MS retired because of his age, not because of Alonso, nor Kimi.
But hey, if you wish to flatter yourself, be my guest.

**agildeta** · 12-28-2008, 01:14 PM

That's bollocks. MS retired because of his age, not because of Alonso, nor Kimi.
But hey, if you wish to flatter yourself, be my guest.

Ioan my friend and, charter member of the sensible seven, you know I worshiped Mike, and hated Fred dethroning him.
And yes that statement was really a bit of playing the devil’s advocate. However,
Fred won two WDC's while Mike was still on the top of his game.
One of those years the Ferrari was not competitive enough. Kind of like last season’s Renault
(although not quite as much of a dog in the first half of the season).
I have taken up his cause in respect of the way he disposed of Mike!
Who if properly motivated and positioned as # 1 driver would have taken the WDC for Ferrari in 2008 IMHO!
Cheers my man, and Happy New Year.

BTW how was my statement construed as flattering myself?

**lierro** · 12-28-2008, 09:09 PM

Ioan my friend and, charter member of the sensible seven, you know I worshiped Mike, and hated Fred dethroning him.
And yes that statement was really a bit of playing the devil’s advocate. However,
Fred won two WDC's while Mike was still on the top of his game.
One of those years the Ferrari was not competitive enough. Kind of like last season’s Renault
(although not quite as much of a dog in the first half of the season).
I have taken up his cause in respect of the way he disposed of Mike!
Who if properly motivated and positioned as # 1 driver would have taken the WDC for Ferrari in 2008 IMHO!
Cheers my man, and Happy New Year.

BTW how was my statement construed as flattering myself?

Each can see things the way he wants, IMO MS loves like any other driver loves racing and especially F1 very much.
He retired because he was getting old and tired and was pressed by his wife to stop.

He went for 5 years without winning the championship and didn't give up because of DH, JV or MH and I'm pretty sure he didn't retire because of FA either.

As for the flattering part it wasn't directly directed to you but to all those who think that MS retired because of Fernando or Kimi.

Thanks and a happy new Year to you and your family too!

**assohillA** · 12-29-2008, 01:23 AM

I'm with Ioan on this one. Michael retired because he was old for an F1 driver (37) and didn't have anything left to prove after beating Senna's qualifying record in 2006.

He didn't retire because of Alonso, plus, didn't Schumacher announce his retirement before the end of the 2006 season and before Alonso won?

**thushioli** · 12-29-2008, 01:27 AM

Good old Flav

For one thing he's obviously going to praise Fernando, his current driver. For another he "lost" Michael to Ferrari when he wanted to keep him. I guess he doesn't want to lose another

**agildeta** · 12-29-2008, 05:35 AM

I'm with Ioan on this one. Michael retired because he was old for an F1 driver (37) and didn't have anything left to prove after beating Senna's qualifying record in 2006.

He didn't retire because of Alonso, plus, didn't Schumacher announce his retirement before the end of the 2006 season and before Alonso won?

You are correct sir!
He announced it after Monza (a huge win for him as Fred (and Renault had a rare yet spectacular detonation while running second)) If memory serves me correctly Mike went on to win in China, and while leading in Japan he had an engine expiration, that pretty much ended his shot at the title!
I remember Fred waving at Mike as he passed him on the lap. I was thinking at that moment, I wish I was at the race with a 30 odd six with a sniper scope and "sanction" that ba$t@rd Fred before he crossed the finish line. Now I'm glad I didn't

Mike didn't drive those races like a guy that was old, and over the hill IMHO

**quorceopporce** · 12-29-2008, 06:57 AM

I'm with Ioan on this one. Michael retired because he was old for an F1 driver (37) and didn't have anything left to prove after beating Senna's qualifying record in 2006.

He didn't retire because of Alonso, plus, didn't Schumacher announce his retirement before the end of the 2006 season and before Alonso won?

Absolutely. It's simply revisionist history. Schumacher's retirement was just a retirement on his own terms — simple as that.

**EntectCelpelm** · 12-29-2008, 07:38 AM

This is an interesting one....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72574

"The more pressure you put on Fernando, the better he gets. Michael was not so good at handling pressure."

Why do you find that surprising?

I've said it before countless times before and other posters have said so as well.

People deal with pressure in different ways. Everyone knows how Schumi cracks under pressure.

Alonso is in the mould of Prost and Piquet. Highly intelligent, would rather influence things behind closed doors if he can help it - instigating team orders, showing his fustration at Indy, blackmail the boss and blocking his team mate at Hungary in 2007

**EntectCelpelm** · 12-29-2008, 07:57 AM

Quick question for everyone. If you were a team boss and had to chose between MS or Alonso then who would you pick ? That should sum it all...

That's a tough one.

In one-to-one situation I'd rather deal Schumi. From what I gather on his personality seems far more humble and down to earth than most people think. But with that sometimes you're left wondering he's thinking in a split second....

I get the impression Alonso is more intense at accommodating his needs and what you see is what you get.

Out on the race track there's very little to separate them. Schumi is a mixture of Prost and Senna, almost 50/50 whereas IMO Alonso is more Prost but has made far less controversial manoeuvres on the track whereas Schumi is a very hard racer who breaks the limits.

On balance it probably be Michael but the perfect driver would be MS without crashing into (eg. Jerez '97) or blocking (ie. Monaco qualy 2006) your opponent.

**lierro** · 12-29-2008, 10:19 PM

I'm with Ioan on this one. Michael retired because he was old for an F1 driver (37) and didn't have anything left to prove after beating Senna's qualifying record in 2006.

He didn't retire because of Alonso, plus, didn't Schumacher announce his retirement before the end of the 2006 season and before Alonso won?

Excellent points!

I even forgot about the fact that he announced his retirement long before the season's end.

12-25-2008, 08:18 PM	#1
luspikals Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 470 Senior Member	Briatore: Alonso surpasses Schumacher This is an interesting one.... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72574 "The more pressure you put on Fernando, the better he gets. Michael was not so good at handling pressure." Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-25-2008, 09:16 PM	#2
casinoboneerer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 466 Senior Member	yea yea big mouth big words Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2008, 07:46 AM	#3
agildeta Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	Fred has proven his salt against the best! At this point in his career he does not toot his own horn! He doesn't need to! I hope that Lewis does the same! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2008, 09:33 AM	#4
pupyississido Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 598 Senior Member	This is an interesting one.... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72574 "The more pressure you put on Fernando, the better he gets. Michael was not so good at handling pressure." The great one has finally spoken.... Quick question for everyone. If you were a team boss and had to chose between MS or Alonso then who would you pick ? That should sum it all... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2008, 11:09 AM	#5
agildeta Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	The great one has finally spoken.... Quick question for everyone. If you were a team boss and had to chose between MS or Alonso then who would you pick ? That should sum it all... But......Fred......Retired.......Mike's......A$$ I admire the heck out of Mike! But, I honestly don't think your comment sums up squat on a squat stick! It's a very tough choice! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2008, 12:01 PM	#6
Romarionsion Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	The great one has finally spoken.... Quick question for everyone. If you were a team boss and had to chose between MS or Alonso then who would you pick ? That should sum it all... he was probably more team principal behind the scenes then most team "managers" OTOH That would depend on whether my ego would let MS dominate the team management as much as he did at ferrari, something Flavio found out when he was left behind No, if i were flavio, freddy would definetly be my choice but i ain't, so MS would be my choice..... As to the news article, freddie being better at handling pressure????, well, it appears that freddie has not had exactly an outstanding history of being calm, cool and collected either inside or outside the car...... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2008, 05:15 PM	#7
BEKREUNSEPBERw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 388 Senior Member	Not a tough choice for me at all really, but yes when it comes to pressure management though, I'd have to say MS did overcook it a few times, but Alonso just messes it all up sometimes when he's not even under pressure. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2008, 06:40 PM	#8
luspikals Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 470 Senior Member	Not a tough choice for me at all really, but yes when it comes to pressure management though, I'd have to say MS did overcook it a few times, but Alonso just messes it all up sometimes when he's not even under pressure. I think that in some ways ties into what Briatore is saying. Look at 2006 - high pressure season for both, and Alonso made less on track mistakes. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-27-2008, 01:43 AM	#9
rfceicizgm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 479 Senior Member	The great one has finally spoken.... Quick question for everyone. If you were a team boss and had to chose between MS or Alonso then who would you pick ? That should sum it all... it does?? Then I guess Fred´s the man. Good night. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-27-2008, 02:43 AM	#10
bataovady Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 423 Senior Member	The great one has finally spoken.... Quick question for everyone. If you were a team boss and had to chose between MS or Alonso then who would you pick ? That should sum it all... Alonso, because MS is already "too old". So what does it sum up? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-28-2008, 03:09 AM	#11
lierro Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 469 Senior Member	But......Fred......Retired.......Mike's......A$$ That's bollocks. MS retired because of his age, not because of Alonso, nor Kimi. But hey, if you wish to flatter yourself, be my guest. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-28-2008, 01:14 PM	#12
agildeta Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	That's bollocks. MS retired because of his age, not because of Alonso, nor Kimi. But hey, if you wish to flatter yourself, be my guest. Ioan my friend and, charter member of the sensible seven, you know I worshiped Mike, and hated Fred dethroning him. And yes that statement was really a bit of playing the devil’s advocate. However, Fred won two WDC's while Mike was still on the top of his game. One of those years the Ferrari was not competitive enough. Kind of like last season’s Renault (although not quite as much of a dog in the first half of the season). I have taken up his cause in respect of the way he disposed of Mike! Who if properly motivated and positioned as # 1 driver would have taken the WDC for Ferrari in 2008 IMHO! Cheers my man, and Happy New Year. BTW how was my statement construed as flattering myself? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-28-2008, 09:09 PM	#13
lierro Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 469 Senior Member	Ioan my friend and, charter member of the sensible seven, you know I worshiped Mike, and hated Fred dethroning him. And yes that statement was really a bit of playing the devil’s advocate. However, Fred won two WDC's while Mike was still on the top of his game. One of those years the Ferrari was not competitive enough. Kind of like last season’s Renault (although not quite as much of a dog in the first half of the season). I have taken up his cause in respect of the way he disposed of Mike! Who if properly motivated and positioned as # 1 driver would have taken the WDC for Ferrari in 2008 IMHO! Cheers my man, and Happy New Year. BTW how was my statement construed as flattering myself? Each can see things the way he wants, IMO MS loves like any other driver loves racing and especially F1 very much. He retired because he was getting old and tired and was pressed by his wife to stop. He went for 5 years without winning the championship and didn't give up because of DH, JV or MH and I'm pretty sure he didn't retire because of FA either. As for the flattering part it wasn't directly directed to you but to all those who think that MS retired because of Fernando or Kimi. Thanks and a happy new Year to you and your family too! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2008, 01:23 AM	#14
assohillA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 447 Senior Member	I'm with Ioan on this one. Michael retired because he was old for an F1 driver (37) and didn't have anything left to prove after beating Senna's qualifying record in 2006. He didn't retire because of Alonso, plus, didn't Schumacher announce his retirement before the end of the 2006 season and before Alonso won? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2008, 01:27 AM	#15
thushioli Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 351 Senior Member	Good old Flav For one thing he's obviously going to praise Fernando, his current driver. For another he "lost" Michael to Ferrari when he wanted to keep him. I guess he doesn't want to lose another Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2008, 05:35 AM	#16
agildeta Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	I'm with Ioan on this one. Michael retired because he was old for an F1 driver (37) and didn't have anything left to prove after beating Senna's qualifying record in 2006. He didn't retire because of Alonso, plus, didn't Schumacher announce his retirement before the end of the 2006 season and before Alonso won? You are correct sir! He announced it after Monza (a huge win for him as Fred (and Renault had a rare yet spectacular detonation while running second)) If memory serves me correctly Mike went on to win in China, and while leading in Japan he had an engine expiration, that pretty much ended his shot at the title! I remember Fred waving at Mike as he passed him on the lap. I was thinking at that moment, I wish I was at the race with a 30 odd six with a sniper scope and "sanction" that ba$t@rd Fred before he crossed the finish line. Now I'm glad I didn't Mike didn't drive those races like a guy that was old, and over the hill IMHO Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2008, 06:57 AM	#17
quorceopporce Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 597 Senior Member	I'm with Ioan on this one. Michael retired because he was old for an F1 driver (37) and didn't have anything left to prove after beating Senna's qualifying record in 2006. He didn't retire because of Alonso, plus, didn't Schumacher announce his retirement before the end of the 2006 season and before Alonso won? Absolutely. It's simply revisionist history. Schumacher's retirement was just a retirement on his own terms — simple as that. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2008, 07:38 AM	#18
EntectCelpelm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	This is an interesting one.... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72574 "The more pressure you put on Fernando, the better he gets. Michael was not so good at handling pressure." Why do you find that surprising? I've said it before countless times before and other posters have said so as well. People deal with pressure in different ways. Everyone knows how Schumi cracks under pressure. Alonso is in the mould of Prost and Piquet. Highly intelligent, would rather influence things behind closed doors if he can help it - instigating team orders, showing his fustration at Indy, blackmail the boss and blocking his team mate at Hungary in 2007 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2008, 07:57 AM	#19
EntectCelpelm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Quick question for everyone. If you were a team boss and had to chose between MS or Alonso then who would you pick ? That should sum it all... That's a tough one. In one-to-one situation I'd rather deal Schumi. From what I gather on his personality seems far more humble and down to earth than most people think. But with that sometimes you're left wondering he's thinking in a split second.... I get the impression Alonso is more intense at accommodating his needs and what you see is what you get. Out on the race track there's very little to separate them. Schumi is a mixture of Prost and Senna, almost 50/50 whereas IMO Alonso is more Prost but has made far less controversial manoeuvres on the track whereas Schumi is a very hard racer who breaks the limits. On balance it probably be Michael but the perfect driver would be MS without crashing into (eg. Jerez '97) or blocking (ie. Monaco qualy 2006) your opponent. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2008, 10:19 PM	#20
lierro Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 469 Senior Member	I'm with Ioan on this one. Michael retired because he was old for an F1 driver (37) and didn't have anything left to prove after beating Senna's qualifying record in 2006. He didn't retire because of Alonso, plus, didn't Schumacher announce his retirement before the end of the 2006 season and before Alonso won? Excellent points! I even forgot about the fact that he announced his retirement long before the season's end. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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