[VZF74G0M]

Just to drag up an old thread, it seems that Ferrari are still struggling with KERS:



Source & full story: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71385

If they really are then it will be delayed.

Simple.

[VZF74G0M]

IF Ferrari are struggleing then I imagine that the FIA will accomodate as Ferrari are the most important team in F1.

Whether they are or if this is brinkmanship will be answered at the first race.

Well, looks like Ferrari have their wish.

The FIA have done an about turn on KERS and may even drop it completely next year.

What a waste of money

[Stoottnoiciek]

Well, looks like Ferrari have their wish.

The FIA have done an about turn on KERS and may even drop it completely next year.

What a waste of money

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72647

I think it's more to do with the prohibition of iguana based lubricants in F1 cars. Didn't see that mentioned in that article? Well I didn't see Ferrari mentioned either

OMFG it's McLaren and Lewis Hamilton's fault

[maysubers]

Well, looks like Ferrari have their wish.

The FIA have done an about turn on KERS and may even drop it completely next year.

What a waste of money

Why are you posting idiotic stuff that you know to be wrong?

KERS is an idiotic move by FIA, they are talking about cost cutting and now they forced teams to use millions and millions of dollars on a system that does not improve the racing at all. Especially in such financial conditions as we have now. Complete joke.

[Stoottnoiciek]

The FIA aren't saying that at all.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72647

What is wrong with the FIA saying any of that? And where do you get them dropping KERS from in that?

What's wrong is that it's not being blamed on Ferrari!

[Stoottnoiciek]

Are you implying that some cretins would blame everything on Ferrari without a shred of factual evidence?

Surely not!

Of course not! What a ridiculous idea. I bet Ferrari told you to post that didn't they?

[VZF74G0M]

Why are you posting idiotic stuff that you know to be wrong?

KERS is an idiotic move by FIA, they are talking about cost cutting and now they forced teams to use millions and millions of dollars on a system that does not improve the racing at all. Especially in such financial conditions as we have now. Complete joke.

Sorry Garry, i am in complete agreement with you

I am not saying that the FIA have pandered to Ferrari's wish but merely that Ferrari have what they want. Luca has been rather vocal in his criticism of KERS and it undoubtedly has brough about this change of mind from Max.

Max decided that KERS would be in F1 and the teams spent millions on developing the system.

Then he turns around and says it's not compolsary.

Then he turns around and says battery recovery is not going to be allowed which affects all but one projects.

Then he turns around and says the teams can drop KERS if they want.

All that money wasted for nothing was my point.

[Stoottnoiciek]

I am not saying that the FIA have pandered to Ferrari's wish but merely that Ferrari have what they want. Luca has been rather vocal in his criticism of KERS and it undoubtedly has brough about this change of mind from Max.

I'm not saying the FIA pandered to Lewis Hamilton's wishes but Lewis undoubtedly got what he wanted last year. Lewis has been quite vocal in his quest to win the world title last year and his win quite neatly fits my theory of something or other corruption blah dee blah.

As for the rest of your post I actually agree. What a waste.

[maysubers]

Sorry Garry, i am in complete agreement with you

You said FIA is dropping KERS due to Ferrari, when you know that to be wrong.


I am not saying that the FIA have pandered to Ferrari's wish but merely that Ferrari have what they want. Luca has been rather vocal in his criticism of KERS and it undoubtedly has brough about this change of mind from Max.

Max decided that KERS would be in F1 and the teams spent millions on developing the system. Something Ferrari never wanted.

Then he turns around and says it's not compolsary. But due to the fact that it makes a car faster, everyone will still use it.

Then he turns around and says battery recovery is not going to be allowed which affects all but one projects. It is allowed, just something that FIA would like to ban in future. In anycase, isn`t it now time to say it is Williams who FIA is trying to prefer, because they are the only one to have a system that doesn`t have a battery? How is this helping Ferrari?

Then he turns around and says the teams can drop KERS if they want. FOTA voted on this months ago already, so what Max is saying is irrelevant. The vote was 6:4 against using KERS, but they needed 7 votes,, so they will still use it.

All that money wasted for nothing was my point. Which is again due to the messup by FIA, but you still have not pointed out how this is all supposed to help Ferrari.

[Stoottnoiciek]

Good point.

Not if you're wanting to blow the floodgates on the apparent bias of the FIA towards Ferrari though

[maysubers]

Not if you're wanting to blow the floodgates on the apparent bias of the FIA towards Ferrari though

It means its a conspiracy between FIA, Ferrari and Williams. A grand scheme.

[HQTheodore]

It means its a conspiracy between FIA, Ferrari and Williams. A grand scheme.

Putting pen to paper as we speak...

[Stoottnoiciek]

Putting pen to paper as we speak...

By vitrue of Monaro Doorslammer posting in this thread I deduce that GM are of course involved and that in fact the US government is bailing out KERS!!!!!! DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN! Talk to you senator and put an end to the bailing out of KERS!!!!!

[thushioli]

Max decided that KERS would be in F1 and the teams spent millions on developing the system.

Then he turns around and says it's not compolsary.

Then he turns around and says battery recovery is not going to be allowed which affects all but one projects.

Then he turns around and says the teams can drop KERS if they want.

All that money wasted for nothing was my point.

Fair point

[lierro]

Why are you posting idiotic stuff that you know to be wrong?

That surely is a rhetoric question!

[lierro]

It is allowed, just something that FIA would like to ban in future. In anycase, isn`t it now time to say it is Williams who FIA is trying to prefer, because they are the only one to have a system that doesn`t have a battery?

You must be kidding. It is a "Well Known Fact" that the FIA are only helping Ferrari! Didn't you ever hear about FIArrari?

[wmirkru]

Yet again this is tinkering by Max which will cost even more money: forcing the teams to develop an expensive system ($60million by all accounts) only to drop it or standardise it a year later.

For goodness sake, Max, make one sweeping set of rule changes then have the balls to stick with them for a few years.

[Pelefaifs]

Well , it seems that BMW are the only team that wants KERS in this year .

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/daily...RS+stance.html

We can't fault the reds this time , kids .

[Stoottnoiciek]

Well , it seems that BMW are the only team that wants KERS in this year .

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/daily...RS+stance.html

We can't fault the reds this time , kids .

Just you wait and see. Someone will come out of the woodwork and have a pop at them

[bataovady]

That's interesting. I can understand that it would be beneficial for Toyota (no KERS anyway) and to all Magneti Marelli teams (Fer, Ren, RBR, STR) to abandon KERS, but if BMW is mentioned as the only team, who is in favour of this system for 2009, then what about McLaren-Mercedes and Williams? Have they encountered problems? Williams seemed really upbeat about taking a gamble on a flywheel system with the hope of moving upwards in the standings. Isn't the system quite functioning as hoped? And is McLaren convinced that they would be competitive in any case (KERS or not), so they don't care about its potential postponing or are they afraid of BMW's possible challenge too much?

Anyway, maybe if BMW finally encounters serious problems too, we may indeed see a KERS-free 2009 season. A lot is unclear yet, a lot may happen. Long way to go until March.