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Old 12-15-2008, 12:23 PM   #21
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No. Go to hell!
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Old 12-15-2008, 03:43 PM   #22
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I'd imagine the vote is purely for entertainment, I cannot imagine the FIA actually listening to us mere fans of the sport.
Thats why they have an annual questionaire for the fans to answer...
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:20 PM   #23
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Bernie won't back down over medals idea
http://www.planet-f1.co.za/story/0,1...649344,00.html

Although his proposal to introduce a medal system has received widespread criticism, Bernie Ecclestone is refusing to back down from the idea.

Ecclestone believes replacing the current 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 points system with a gold, silver and bronze medal for the top three finishers will prompt drivers to risk more during races.

FIA President Max Mosley told the World Motor Sport Council in Monte Carlo that market research would be conducted into the proposal before they decide on anything.

"Bernie's wedded to medals, but it will be genuinely interesting to see what the fans say because they do pay the bills," Mosley said.
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Old 12-15-2008, 09:42 PM   #24
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Well I voted no. I would like to see more emphasis placed on winning but doing away with Drivers' Championship points is not the way.
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Old 12-16-2008, 01:20 AM   #25
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Added a no vote, the "medal" system is pure stupidity and based purely on bernie's wishes to appease Ferrari who made a car that was less reliable than the McLaren last season. I feel that yes, the current system is flawed, i'm all for more placing getting points, it encourages driver to keep on racing even if they are mired in the mid-field. I was always a big fan of the CART (Indycar / Champ Car) points system that would go down to 12th place, which for a field of about 26 cars is about spot on, perhaps a pre-condition of points ought to be to complete at least 90% of the winning distance, hence in races of high attrition cars that fall off (at least for the first 90% of the race) would not get points for a race they failed to finish. The CART system went as follows:

20 - 16 - 14 - 12 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1

The only change I would make is widen the gap between 1st and 2nd, the 1991 - 2002 gap of 4 was too large, the current of 2 is too small, the pre-1991 gap of 3 was spot on, so i'd redo the points as follows:

20 - 14 - 12 - 10 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1

This along with the 90% winning distance (this is distinguished from race distance as races can either run to the 2 hour time limit or be ended early due to track conditions) rule would ensure a fairer spread of points, incentivise winning and give lower finishing positions actual significance, incentivising racing in the mid-field, often the saviour of many of grand prix when a driver / team dominate at the front.
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Old 12-16-2008, 01:38 AM   #26
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BE may as well go to hell together with his medals.

Sorry to say, but the proposed system wouldn't work at GP2 at all, what has been proposed here. GP2 has sprint races and is often won by drivers, who were nowhere during the previous parts of the weekend and somehow lucked into P8 by the end of the Saturday's race only to get a pole for Sunday and win a race. For what does such driver deserve a gold medal and a huge boost in the championship? Javier Villa won 3 sprint races in 2006, he would have been a title contender that season with medals' system. If we are looking at his racing, then I can't remember him ever impressing and at best he could managed some minor point positions on Saturdays, which of course helped him in sprints due to good grid positions...

Back to F1. Funny, how many contradictions are there in this plan. Arguably the medals' idea is for increasing spectacle and overtaking. But the contradicting factor is that the WCC order will still be clarified by points. If a driver is behind the leader, then what is he supposed to do if he's told over the radio: "Don't take unnecessary risks - you need to collect good points to increase our chances in the WCC standings."
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:05 AM   #27
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Add another for the No vote.

Do something about the points (pre 2003 system anyone?) but medals aren't the answer. They won't guarantee a title deciding finale and they won't guarantee more lead-swapping passing manouvres. Drivers will still be cautious for most of the season for the simple reason that the teams want the constructors points, prize money and straight cars.

A pass for the lead will only come about if it clearly there. Drivers aren't going to suddenly make a quantum leap in risk taking because of a medals system. I can't recall drivers becoming more daring when the points for a win was increased from 9 to 10. Why should this be any different?
That sums up everything I want to say.

I don't think the points system is to blame for the lack of overtaking in F1.
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Old 12-16-2008, 05:22 PM   #28
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I don't think the points system is to blame for the lack of overtaking in F1.
Agreed. I have never quite understood the theories that the "aggressiveness" of drivers is dependant on points system. On most occasions the fastest car simply disappeares into the distance, so for the chasers this is simply physically impossible to fight against the leader, no matter how does the point-system look like. And also, we had those so-called safe-point-scoring drives also with those "good old" Top6 system like Prost anno 1989.
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Old 12-16-2008, 05:38 PM   #29
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And results from www.formula1.com are finally in.

Apparently fans voted 20:1 in favour of medals being adopted
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Old 12-16-2008, 06:28 PM   #30
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Sheeesh I thought you were being serious for half a sec
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:07 PM   #31
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Sheeesh I thought you were being serious for half a sec
Oi Dave, what's that on your shirt Caught you again
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:09 PM   #32
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Overhaul of the medal system so that a win means more? Yes!

The proposed medal system, where a driver with one, and one one win, will be placed higher than a driver with three podiums? NO!
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:15 PM   #33
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Oi Dave, what's that on your shirt Caught you again
Oh wait, this 20:1 isn't true? I opened the formula1.com site and started looking everywhere, where can I find the results.

But doesn't matter, the final score will probably turn out to be something like that anyway.
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:36 PM   #34
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so can we find out who voted yes?
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:15 PM   #35
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it's not the first time there has been a vote on the formula1.com site. We were asked to vote about the new qualifying format a few years back.
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Old 12-17-2008, 12:05 PM   #36
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What a surprise 28 no's and 1 yes so far. I didn't think it would be that close.
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Old 12-17-2008, 05:11 PM   #37
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so can we find out who voted yes?
I vote No, but now I'm not sure anymore that it was the right choice.
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Old 12-17-2008, 11:19 PM   #38
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96.9% against, on this site at least. I hope the F1 survey brings a similar conclusion.
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:47 AM   #39
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oh arse - I just voted yes by accident. I hope that doesn't affect the final outcome too much, I know how important even a single vote can be!
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Old 12-19-2008, 03:55 AM   #40
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oh arse - I just voted yes by accident. I hope that doesn't affect the final outcome too much, I know how important even a single vote can be!
Don't worry It's OK cause I changed my mind and I had voted No. So it pretty much shows the real standings.
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