[hitaEtela]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72063

[STYWOMBORGOSY]

Interesting. It makes no mention of the customer car that it was thought they were after but they still get a lot from McLaren out of this deal.

[weightpillsnow]

Williams can't be too happy about this move.

McLaren managed to step on the fine line of the Concorde Agreement and hand over some much needed assistance to VJ. Force India might be as contentious as STR was in 2008.

[awagsFare]

sadly, this to me looks like a customer car deal.

Yes they aren't getting a chasis, but pretty much everything else either directly or via access to McLaren's suppliers.

In effect Force India has become the McLaren B-team.

It smacks of hypocrisy since they were one of the loudest opponents of the ProDrive deal as well as instrumental in their disapproval of the SuperAguri/Honda relationship.

Now a year later all that is forgotten and they duly go ahead and forge a deal that is pretty much a combination of the superAguri and Prodrive deals.

In essence I don't mind teams partnering on development etc. but I'm no fan of the b-team setups. ( I hope that STR finally do their own thing. It's ok for them to share an owner, but they should work separately)

And I especially don't like teams that are instrumental in denouncing deals and measures then turn around and take advantage of that course of action for thier own benefit.

Maybe with this deal they can move Sutil to Mercedes and Kovaleinen to Force India. One can only wish

[awagsFare]

Williams can't be too happy about this move.

McLaren managed to step on the fine line of the Concorde Agreement and hand over some much needed assistance to VJ. Force India might be as contentious as STR was in 2008.

Yes Williams can't be too happy about this at all, they seem to be the odd one out. I sincerely hiope that they find a manufacturer ( Mazda, Porsche) with racing heritage willing to come into the sport with a fine outfit such as Williams.

[weightpillsnow]

Maybe with this deal they can move Sutil to Mercedes and Kovaleinen to Force India. One can only wish

What good would that do?

[Laqswrnm]

Maybe with this deal they can move Sutil to Mercedes and Kovaleinen to Force India. One can only wish

There is a rumour that Mercedes' Paul Di Resta will be placed with FI.

A Scot to replace DC.

[Broorbbub]

This whole think stinks.

[agildeta]

This is something that could happen having shown Colin Kowles the door.
VJ obviously viewed his stand and lawsuit over the customer car issue as
antidisestablishmentarianism!!!
Wait this has nothing to do with the Anglican Church being the state church of England
I think I'm suffering from
pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis! Sorry!

[luspikals]

Maybe with this deal they can move Sutil to Mercedes and Kovaleinen to Force India. One can only wish

I take it that you don't like Mercedes...

[kictainiSot]

devil's advocate i hope toro rosso find a buyer the customer car issue comes around and byte them on the ass after all how much of that (court action) had to do with the demise of super aguri

will we now see red bull and toro rosso with Ferrari engine

[hitaEtela]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72066

This outlines the partnership pretty well.

McLaren are taking a proactive interest in FI and helping them get up the food chain. I don't think their goal of wins in 2010 are particularly unrealistic.

With McLarens guidance, I am sure that a competitive Chassis can be developed and knowledge transfer of process and discipline will undoubtedly help FI.

There could even be McLaren drivers coming up from FI for a year before driving for McLaren.

Everything is within the Concord agreement and is completely different from supplying a specific B team with a car and getting them race it for you.

[Immampdah]

This is worse than the Super Aguri case, as SAF1 was getting 1 year old technology and trying to develop it bit more.
Force India are looking to buy McLaren knowledge as they go.
The only different thing is that they might build the cars themselves.

This is what happens when corporatist people get into F1, they make a business out of it.

[BCVB9SOc]

This is worse than the Super Aguri case, as SAF1 was getting 1 year old technology and trying to develop it bit more.
Force India are looking to buy McLaren knowledge as they go.
The only different thing is that they might build the cars themselves.

This is what happens when corporatist people get into F1, they make a business out of it.

So were you against TR and Red Bull getting 2008 spec engines this year ?

[hitaEtela]

So were you against TR and Red Bull getting 2008 spec engines this year ?

Of course not because they weren't procured from McLaren

[Immampdah]

So were you against TR and Red Bull getting 2008 spec engines this year ?

There was an engine freeze in place! I think that answers your question.

[BCVB9SOc]

There was an engine freeze in place! I think that answers your question.

Well, considering teams have managed to gain 20BHP over the season, I'd suggest its an engine freeze in name only. In reality, its not a total freeze

[Garry Richardson]

What's the difference between this and the proposed Prodrive customer car that was disallowed?
In all but name this is a customer car.

[STYWOMBORGOSY]

I'm surprsied at the number of people calling it a customer car. I've yet to see anything that suggests FI will be using McLaren designs for chassis and aero. I've no doubt that McLaren development knowledge is going to passed on, helping them avoid dead ends and improve the car, but this is only a more advanced form of the customer deal that WIlliams and Toyota currently have. After all, those two teams have shared a limited amount of data on transmission systems.

[soajerwaradaY]

Lanica to purchase Toro Rosso and I believe Williams will get backed by Audi, Porshce or maybe a bike company like Kawasaki.