[beriarele]

I never understood why it had to be changed.

Oh, hold on....it was to stop Ferrari running away with the title.

If that was the aim, given that there were suggestions that audiences were declining as a result of one team dominating over a number of years was that such a bad thing? 2003 saw a much closer title battle which resulted in the same winner, but 2004 was perhaps the most dominant Ferrari year of the MS era so ultimately changing the points system made little difference.

The best team/driver combination will always rise to the top whether they're given points or medals.

[Nemerov]

It may have been rare then, but it has become increasingly common recently, and much of that is down to the points system, particulary the narrower points gap between 1st & 2nd which was introduced at the start of the 2003 season (IIRC). Of course there are those who argue that that change was purely aimed at negating MS's advantage, but it has undoubtedly close up the WDC.

There was no doubt in my mind, at the time, that it was done to neuter MS. When they bought the change in I think it was Mark Webber who said something like "You finished 8th - Big Deal".


Perhaps it has done that to the extent of encouraging consistent points finishes, not wins. A win, comparatively, is not as valued as it was in terms of the points race.

Bernie's idea attempts to address that, and place the emphasis on winning races being the deciding factor. I'm not sure that's wrong as such, but perhaps it is too radical an idea.
Bernie could be reading this forum and just likes messing with our minds.


I think there may be a link between the current points system and the perception that there is no passing in F1 as it doesn't differentiate the positions enough.

The points could start at 100 for the winner and progressively award reduced points down to every car that finishes on the same lap as the winner. Improving position must be the primary objective of every driver on the track right up to the last lap and one way to influence the racing attitude is to make each improvement in position worthy of taking a risk or changing race tactics. This scoring approach would also heavily penalise DNF's.

Having medals is stoopid but if they insist on it then the medals should be about 40cms in diameter and made of chocolate. There is a definite need for sweet confectionery in F1 and maybe Nestle could sponsor a team.

[Laqswrnm]

I think people are being a touch over-dramatic.

If you forget the medals for a second, it's basically just a countback system, which I think is the right thing for F1.

[blackjackiisre]

Worth bearing in mind that this is from F1 live and just conjecture.

[blackjackiisre]

would also heavily penalise DNF's.

Having medals is stoopid but if they insist on it then the medals should be about 40cms in diameter and made of chocolate. There is a definite need for sweet confectionery in F1 and maybe Nestle could sponsor a team.

Naw, they will be Iron Crosses if Mosely has his way

BTW

I've just gone back to year 2000 and the only change to the results was last year.

Yet again, this is a knee jerk policy to address something that isn't even a problem.

If the medal system was in use last year, it would reward the best car, not driver and we would also see a lot more tactical 1 - 2 driving. With 2 teams at a similar performance level, it would be almost impossible to operate a Mclaren type policy of letting the drivers sort it out themselves.

[drugsprevi]

I don't want the situation with someone winning 8 races, getting 10 second places and losing the title to someone who won 9 races and DNF'd 9 times.

Points would have been 160-90 and the guy with 90 would win the title. Bizarre. I think it's dumbing down for the News of the World reading public of Great Britain lol. After all it's too much for a lot of eejits to add points together.

Grrr...

[Laqswrnm]

I don't want the situation with someone winning 8 races, getting 10 second places and losing the title to someone who won 9 races and DNF'd 9 times.

What would be wrong with that? To the victor the spoils I say.

[blackjackiisre]

What would be wrong with that? To the victor the spoils I say.

Fair point I suppose.

However, the victor would not be the best performing driver but merely the driver that the team chooses at the beginning of the season.

Massa wouldn't have been in with a shout this year if the medals table was in operation.

For a start, Ferrari would have preferred the reigning WDC, Kimi. Even if they gave it 4 races to see how it shakes out then it would have been 2 wins to Kimi and 1 to Massa. When you can have the season tied up after the 10th race, you can't afford to let drivers race until they haven't got a chance of winning. You have to do it at the start.

We would have had FA as WDC last year and Kimi as champ this year instead of what have got.

[weightpillsnow]

Another gimmick? What a laugh!

[Teeppoodiug]

oooh decisions decisions.
Does a driver go for the gold and risk getting a post race 25second penalty if the gods aren't happy with him - and don't forget, those post race penalties would be a lot harsher under these rules!

[suiviouse]

QUOTE: "The change, he argues, will rid the sport of the situation of the 2008 series finale in Brazil, where Lewis Hamilton was able to finish just fifth and still be crowned world champion."

What situation, the exciting finish to the season? This is idiotic and if implemented would leave me as a former fan.

[Pelefaifs]

Rather than change F1 to an Olympic system of scoring medals , I propose we change the Olympics to an F1 system of scoring points .

I think that's what Bernie must have meant .

In fact every sport should adopt the same system as F1 . Then Bernie could put his diminutive Napoleonic stamp on the entire world of sport .

That must have been what he meant , because if he meant what everyone is saying he meant , then , well , that's just stupid .
The fan will not put up with "just stupid" .

[GoblinGaga]

Maybe there have been worse suggestions in the past but I'm struggling to think of one. I really really hope that this doesn't happen, it makes cars other than championship contenders pointless. Surely teams would quickly pull out, but according to Bernie the teams are all for it.

[Immampdah]

With 2 teams at a similar performance level, it would be almost impossible to operate a Mclaren type policy of letting the drivers sort it out themselves.

You mean Ferrari system where the drivers sort it out on track, as far as I remember McLaren looked to have only one driver last season.

[Immampdah]

Rather than change F1 to an Olympic system of scoring medals , I propose we change the Olympics to an F1 system of scoring points .

I think that's what Bernie must have meant .

In fact every sport should adopt the same system as F1 . Then Bernie could put his diminutive Napoleonic stamp on the entire world of sport .

That must have been what he meant , because if he meant what everyone is saying he meant , then , well , that's just stupid .
The fan will not put up with "just stupid" .

Nah, what do fans know that greedy mop head doesn't know better?!

[Immampdah]

Surely teams would quickly pull out, but according to Bernie the teams are all for it.

Yeah, the same way that teams are all for a standard engine built by Lada!

[GennadiyRom]

Maybe there have been worse suggestions in the past but I'm struggling to think of one. I really really hope that this doesn't happen, it makes cars other than championship contenders pointless. Surely teams would quickly pull out, but according to Bernie the teams are all for it.

standard engines

[spapsinee]

Someone needs to muzzle him. He comes up with some of the stupidest ideas. I am wondering what the initial idea is trying to accomplish - sort of like how a standard motor accomplished getting the teams to agree to supply motors at a bargain price to other teams.

[GoblinGaga]

I guess that this does still have to be agreed by the FIA, but would Max actually stand up against such a suggestion from Bernie? After all, Max suggested drivers swapping cars every race a few years ago.

[Eromaveabeara]

Remember the FIA has said they listen to the fans.
On this and other forums I read the vast majority are against the idea.
Therefore the FIA paying attention to what the fans want will go ahead and implement it!