[softy54534]

At least last year he showed he has capability to polish a piece of turd when he scored some points during the second half of '07 season.

Quite true - especially after Honda denied Super Aguri the use of the better performing rear wing that Super Aguri tested.

People, let me put it to you this way: "What has bunsen done in the past two years that would justify his claiming that he is better than or as good as any other driver on the grid?"

Based purely on performance and results, he'd be best to make no claims whatsoever. If, as wedge points out, that he is driving a turd of a car, and I don't dispute that, it is best to just say that he expects to perform better in the future and leave it at that.

[Faigokilix]

And why do you focus on the last two years? Because the Honda made a bad car and Jenson was unable to perform like he did in 2004 or 2006? Or simply because he is in F1 and Davidson is not and you seem to blame Button for that?

[softy54534]

And why do you focus on the last two years? Because the Honda made a bad car and Jenson was unable to perform like he did in 2004 or 2006? Or simply because he is in F1 and Davidson is not and you seem to blame Button for that?

Au contraire; if he has done nothing significant in the last two years, and these are the only two years that Lewis Hamilton has been racing, then what is the point of saying anything? I never said that ant was better than bunsen, but without ant setting the car up for him, he ain't that good is he!!

[v74ClzKY]

It really should be interesting to see both Button and Hamilton in a Honda..

[softy54534]

OK!! let's be fair about this. So let me ask, Mr boat, "what has bunsen done or achieved in his entire career that would make you think that he is as good as Lewis Hamilton?

[v74ClzKY]

It really should be interesting to see both Button and Hamilton in a Honda..

[reachmanxx]

Quite true - especially after Honda denied Super Aguri the use of the better performing rear wing that Super Aguri tested.

Honda had no obligation to give parts to Super Aguri.

[softy54534]

Honda had no obligation to give parts to Super Aguri.

Really!! then why did they let Super Aguri test that rear wing on their car. Then when Super Aguri found that it contributed to much better performance, Honda then instructed Super Aguri not to use that rear wing. Your use of the word "obligation" is interesting.

By the same token, it could be argued that Honda had no obligation to let Super Aguri use the Honda engine, nor their Honda drivers. Just think about it!!

[reachmanxx]

Really!! then why did they let Super Aguri test that rear wing on their car. Then when Super Aguri found that it contributed to much better performance, Honda then instructed Super Aguri not to use that rear wing. Your use of the word "obligation" is interesting.

I don't know why. But Super Aguri didn't design their own parts. Honda designed the parts to give to Super Aguri - of no financial gain to Honda. Eventually it culminated in what happened at Turkey this year. Super Aguri were leeching off Honda, and Honda decided that enough was enough. So Honda had no obligation to supply Super Aguri the parts.

[Faigokilix]

Au contraire; if he has done nothing significant in the last two years, and these are the only two years that Lewis Hamilton has been racing, then what is the point of saying anything? I never said that ant was better than bunsen, but without ant setting the car up for him, he ain't that good is he!!

That's why Ant is a good test driver, like Alex Wurz or de la Rosa. About Lewis, as I said, a driver needs to believe in himself.

[usacomm]

OK!! let's be fair about this. So let me ask, Mr boat, "what has bunsen done or achieved in his entire career that would make you think that he is as good as Lewis Hamilton?

Not answering for Mr boat of course but when JB made his debut in F1 there were those who saw him as one of those rare talents who come along only once in a while - like Lewis.

He performed well in the Williams - the Belgian GP was a particular highlight - but then Williams made the choice to go for Montoya and farm Button out to Benetton. It's interesting to think what may have happened had he stayed with Williams.

I think 2004 showed us what Button could do. In a car that clearly was no match for the all-dominant Ferraris he was clearly the third best out there.

That's what he can do given the opportunity, but "as good as Lewis Hamilton"? I don't think so.

[softy54534]

Not answering for Mr boat of course but when JB made his debut in F1 there were those who saw him as one of those rare talents who come along only once in a while - like Lewis.

He performed well in the Williams - the Belgian GP was a particular highlight - but then Williams made the choice to go for Montoya and farm Button out to Benetton. It's interesting to think what may have happened had he stayed with Williams.

I think 2004 showed us what Button could do. In a car that clearly was no match for the all-dominant Ferraris he was clearly the third best out there.

That's what he can do given the opportunity, but "as good as Lewis Hamilton"? I don't think so.

I have to agree with you on that last sentence. In comparison, when Lewis Hamilton made his debut in F1, many saw that he could match the then current World Champion. I think that 2007 showed us that had Ron Dennis not stuffed up, Lewis would have been champion. BUT, to make up for that, Lewis Hamilton won the championship in his second year in F1. Not Bad!!

[zoneouddy]

I wouldn't be surprised if I'd found out there are some other f1 drivers thinking that. I'd say around 18.

[mbaueee]

It's all well and good saying he isn't as good as Hamilton, but can you prove that?

I think it's very difficult for anyone in F1 to prove they are better than anyone else.

[affozyBoomi]

Learn to play with a good guitar , and you can play it .
Learn to play on a Walmart special , and you can play any guitar .

"Boy Band" has matured into a better driver .

If Ross gives he and Rubinho a car , they will both shine .

If not , he is finished .

"If I had his car , I would be on the podium , too ." should be the words out of every drivers pie hole .

[usacomm]

It's all well and good saying he isn't as good as Hamilton, but can you prove that?

No It's just an opinion like the discussions comparing drivers from different eras. It's impossible to prove one way or another with any certainty.

[softy54534]

It's all well and good saying he isn't as good as Hamilton, but can you prove that?

I think it's very difficult for anyone in F1 to prove they are better than anyone else.

I can't find any proof/evidence that bunsen is even close to Lewis Hamilton. Maybe we need a better telescope/microscope.

[TyncTyncSah]

..............and who says so?? none other than the bunsen himself : http://formula-1.updatesport.com/new...ewis/view.html

This is just beyond my comprehension, so I ask the wedges and the Beans to help me understand this interesting concept.

No ioan! I think we can let this one slip!!

Well actually you will never know unless Jens get a good car - but even then he will probably need JV to develop it for him

[Faigokilix]

This is not the point, Valve, although if you want to play the devil's advocate you can say that JV won the championship in his second year, like Lewis, and Button outscored JV when they were in the same team.
But the point is that Jenson has said that he thinks that in a car as fast as the McLaren he can do as well as Lewis did. Nothing wrong with that IMO. If he has said:
"I know that I can be a points-scorer at best", I'd have been concerned.

[softy54534]

This is not the point, Valve, although if you want to play the devil's advocate you can say that JV won the championship in his second year, like Lewis, and Button outscored JV when they were in the same team.
But the point is that Jenson has said that he thinks that in a car as fast as the McLaren he can do as well as Lewis did. Nothing wrong with that IMO. If he has said:
"I know that I can be a points-scorer at best", I'd have been concerned.

This was my point, and perhaps you may have missed this post of mine: OK!! let's be fair about this. So let me ask, Mr boat, "what has bunsen done or achieved in his entire career that would make you think that he is as good as Lewis Hamilton?"

Bringing Jacques into this comparison is somewhat controversial, seeing that David Richards made no bones about the fact that he considered Jacques was being overpaid and that he wanted Jacques OUT of the team; to the extent that Takuma Sato announced that he would be racing in the last race in Japan before Jacques was even told he was fired.

My point here is, bunsen had absolutely no grounds to compare himself with Lewis Hamilton, and he would have been wiser to have kept his mouth shut.