[LasTins]

Fantastic driver, but too nervous. On the other hand, he shows that he is unhappy with "points" and wants better, He have lost none of his hunger for victories.

[gyjsdtuwr]

Fantastic driver, but too nervous.

I think that IMO he is more talented than Kubica. Even though Kubica is far less temperamental, and bloody quick, I am not convinced he has more talent. But he will certainly put pressure on Alonso for that 2010 Ferrari seat.

[TepSteade]

I've been incredibly impressed with Alonso's performances this year. He has unquestionably made some mistakes. But as has been acknowledged, this is because he is pushing a car over its limits.

I think simply things, like him stating the Renault was lacking power, as other teams have made little tweaks in order to “improve reliability” but also gives it a few extra horses and so on. The Renault engine has been totally still over the past year +, things like these just highlight his qualities as a team leader.

I’m an Alonso fan, but think I manage to stay unbiased in my opinion of him (e.g. I found it impossible to defend Alonso on his insistence of being number 1, simply because I didn’t really like how MS done this, albeit it was slightly different circumstances). But I do believe he is driving well this season. And shows the difference he makes. I don’t think Renault would be in 5th if it were not for Alonso being in that team.

[Dabdklwu]

At least this year he has admitted he has made some mistakes... something we were not used to in the past.

The sad thing is that his car is not competitive enough to spice up the championship a bit

[dr-eavealer]

There's one thing that puzzles me about all these rumours; why would Ferrari show their hand at this stage about which drivers they are going to hire when they have two perfectly capable drivers at the moment. Is it just the internet media that is starting all these rumours? Alonso is a great driver and he will do very well in a good car; but would he do better than Ferraris current two drivers?

[kuklame]

There's one thing that puzzles me about all these rumours; why would Ferrari show their hand at this stage about which drivers they are going to hire when they have two perfectly capable drivers at the moment. Is it just the internet media that is starting all these rumours? Alonso is a great driver and he will do very well in a good car; but would he do better than Ferraris current two drivers?

IMO, without a doubt!

[Dabdklwu]

As many use to say: best driver + best car = boring racing + championships

Therefore my answer is yes. Fernando+Ferrari combo wouldn`t be 13 points shy of the leader... though that is just my opinion

[illilmicy]

Fernando+Ferrari combo wouldn`t be 13 points shy of the leader... though that is just my opinion

Dipends on the opponents

[nilliraq]

And also the luck. Felipe wouldn't be trailing Hamilton if not for a broken engine.

[posimoka]

And also the luck. Felipe wouldn't be trailing Hamilton if not for a broken engine.

Luck (and ifs and buts) don't count. If they did...had Hamilton not fluffed the start in Bahrain...had he not hit Kimi in Canada...had he not got the drive-thru penalty in France...

[Dabdklwu]

And also the luck. Felipe wouldn't be trailing Hamilton if not for a broken engine.

Had he been lucky enough he wouldn't have spinned 5 times over the same place at Silverstone too...

[posimoka]

However, you can't compare the bad luck of an engine failure to a driver error.

The outcome was the same in the cases mentioned - 0 points.

[nilliraq]

Luck (and ifs and buts) don't count. If they did...had Hamilton not fluffed the start in Bahrain...had he not hit Kimi in Canada...had he not got the drive-thru penalty in France...

Maybe you would see that I mentioned something out of the driver's influence, compared to all the Lewy mistakes you are mentioning IF only you would be calm enough when reading others posts.

[nilliraq]

However, you can't compare the bad luck of an engine failure to a driver error.

Tam, by now you should know that comparing apples and bananas IS the standard around here. And than some people are wondering why all the discussions go down a certain route.

[Roneyslelry]

I thought this thread was about Alonso and Renault.
What the hell has Lewis got to do with it?
And for everyone's information, Fernando has been racing directly with the other Renault car driven by Mark Webber all season.

Because some people cannot see past the best driver out there

[Roneyslelry]

I've gained respect for Alonso during this season as I've enjoyed his efforts at Renault in which he has taken the car to the absolute limit with true racing anger. He has achieved several wonderful qualifying results plus his pace at wet Silverstone was fantastic until wrong tyre choice. He has made mistakes, but that's part of the entertainment. In a top car we would surely see a different Alonso - that one, who consistently scores points.

Anyway, I'd like to see him in Ferrari in the future.

There are some parts of Alonso that are Sennaesk.

Some parts Schumacheresk

And some parts that are best left in the past.

I hope he gets a great drive like the Ferrari as we need his talent in a suitable car.

[Roneyslelry]

I've been incredibly impressed with Alonso's performances this year. He has unquestionably made some mistakes. But as has been acknowledged, this is because he is pushing a car over its limits.

I think simply things, like him stating the Renault was lacking power, as other teams have made little tweaks in order to “improve reliability” but also gives it a few extra horses and so on. The Renault engine has been totally still over the past year +, things like these just highlight his qualities as a team leader.

I’m an Alonso fan, but think I manage to stay unbiased in my opinion of him (e.g. I found it impossible to defend Alonso on his insistence of being number 1, simply because I didn’t really like how MS done this, albeit it was slightly different circumstances). But I do believe he is driving well this season. And shows the difference he makes. I don’t think Renault would be in 5th if it were not for Alonso being in that team.

You wont see many better or more objective posts that this one on here.

[dr-eavealer]

As many use to say: best driver + best car = boring racing + championships

Therefore my answer is yes. Fernando+Ferrari combo wouldn`t be 13 points shy of the leader... though that is just my opinion

Year 2010!! OK, let's look at the hypothetical case where Alonso is now driving for Ferrari, and his team mate is Massa. What would the team be like with Massa beating Fernando? How would these two team mates get along then?

Or

Kimi is Fernando's team mate and the two are running neck and neck through the season: how would things work out in the team?

In either case, would the "Alonso and Hamilton at McLaren" serpent rear its ugly head?

The way I see it, things are OK at Ferrari between Massa and Kimi ; the faster driver on any occasion wins and there is no whingeing about #1 not being allowed to win against #1b.

Would all the funny things and mind games start all over? would Ferrari permit what happened between Hamilton and Alonso? would Ferrari even buy into it by hiring Fernando?

I can see a Ferrari driver winning the WDC and WCC this year unless Ferrari buggers things up with engine bangs and pitstop clangs, which is quite on the cards. But I do not see Ferrari losing a championship through driver contratemps, and dummy spits like McLaren/Ron Dennis did last year.

Does anyone see things the way I see them?

[Dabdklwu]

mmm

I see Massa spinning a lot more when the track gets wet, and I see Kimi unmotivated and breaking some more engines right before the end of the seasson. This means Hamilton getting a lot of points...

Therfore yes, I can see Ferrari not winning the WDC, and obviously, as a Team manager you should talk to your drivers about why the hell they lost a championship having clearly the best car on the grid.

If you think your drivers are not performing at the desired level, wouldn't you change them? Who will you hire instead? Did Ferrari ever had a problem in stoping a car to let the other pass? Did Ferrari ever stop using team orders? Did Ferrari had any problem favouring one driver over the other? Why would that change having Fernando on the team?

And one last thing, had McLaren supported their "2nd" driver at the end of last year they would have won. They just bet on the wrong one. Do you see that happening at Ferrari?????

[nilliraq]

mmm

I see Massa spinning a lot more when the track gets wet, and I see Kimi unmotivated and breaking some more engines right before the end of the seasson. This means Hamilton getting a lot of points...

Therfore yes, I can see Ferrari not winning the WDC, and obviously, as a Team manager you should talk to your drivers about why the hell they lost a championship having clearly the best car on the grid.

If you think your drivers are not performing at the desired level, wouldn't you change them? Who will you hire instead? Did Ferrari ever had a problem in stoping a car to let the other pass? Did Ferrari ever stop using team orders? Did Ferrari had any problem favouring one driver over the other? Why would that change having Fernando on the team?

And one last thing, had McLaren supported their "2nd" driver at the end of last year they would have won. They just bet on the wrong one. Do you see that happening at Ferrari?????

You should change your crystal ball, it is obviously broken!