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**nilliraq** · 10-20-2008, 08:49 PM

It's a piece of cake for Lewis now, and I suppose that RD will be smart enough not to push him to fight for the constructors championship points where Ferrari leads by 11 points anyway.

**SkHukV3N** · 10-20-2008, 09:05 PM

Considering what happened last year, I doubt Ron's will let history repeat itself. The challenge to have Lewis levelheaded enough not to race Massa and avoid any incidents. The game plan is simple, grab the pole and run away like they did in China.

**MwhwF6bp** · 10-20-2008, 09:19 PM

It's a piece of cake for Lewis now, and I suppose that RD will be smart enough not to push him to fight for the constructors championship points where Ferrari leads by 11 points anyway.

I'm surprised by you remark! You sound like a defeated Ferrari fan!

It's not as easy as it sounds. The win in China was 1 step closer to WDC for Lewis.

All Lewis needs to do is a solid result by bringing the car home by staying out of trouble.

I was just thinking about Nicolas Minassian at the last LMS where he lost the title because of a contretemps with a backmarker and scored a DNF despite dominating the championship.

Massa needs a win and DNF from Hamilton. I think there's still a WDC up for grabs for Massa.

**nilliraq** · 10-20-2008, 10:18 PM

I'm just being realistic about the chances.
Massa had his biggest chance in Singapore but the team managed to throw it away in a royal way. Them saying that all they need was three 1-2 finishes was laughable given the current competitiveness of the field.
Ferrari has a good chance to walk away with the WCC title and try again next season.
To win the WDC they need a miracle, IMO.

**Dyerryjex** · 10-20-2008, 11:22 PM

But that "miracle" happened a year ago...

**LasTins** · 10-20-2008, 11:37 PM

I'm just being realistic about the chances.
Massa had his biggest chance in Singapore but the team managed to throw it away in a royal way. Them saying that all they need was three 1-2 finishes was laughable given the current competitiveness of the field.
Ferrari has a good chance to walk away with the WCC title and try again next season.
To win the WDC they need a miracle, IMO.

I will be happy if they win the WCC, however. I am not calm however, after Singapore, I can't be.

**ringtonesmannq** · 10-21-2008, 01:25 AM

Who could beat him?

Massa and Kimi are probably gonna get 1-2 bar any problems.

Kubica could get ahead, Alonso might.

Heidfeld may if he qualifies high, same with Vettel or Trulli.

So I think he really has to go for it - not on the limit, but as close as possible as he doesn't want to end up scrapping for 5th with Nick and Jarno.

**markshome23** · 10-21-2008, 02:21 AM

I would like to see him just go for it.

**appleiphoneees** · 10-21-2008, 02:46 AM

Fuel Heikki light to try and get him on pole.

Give Lewis a few laps eqtra and turn down the engine a bit after the first couple of qualifying laps and short shift.

Heikki slows the field, Lewis takes the lead after the pit stops and everythings great until the after race penalty.

**dXI9XFOA** · 10-21-2008, 05:31 AM

Hamilton colliding with Massa. Should he get near Massa, he may collide with him - thinking that somebody (Raikkonen, Alonso) may collide with him and take him out on purpose...

Your logic is mind blowing!

**Andrius** · 10-21-2008, 05:32 AM

Heikki slows the field, Lewis takes the lead after the pit stops and everythings great until the after race penalty.

Followed by McLaren's "request for clarification" appeal on whether the coffee in the Ferrari hospitality tent was within the acceptable temperature range.

**dXI9XFOA** · 10-21-2008, 05:34 AM

Lewis is a "wild horse" you can't tell him, go there, put yourself in 5th pos and keep it for the whole race no matter what. No he needs to go there and race like he did in all races so far, with his talent and a bit luck the title will be his. I don't think we will se the same movie we saw last year...

Pretty much my same thoughts on Lewis "settling" for 5th. I think he would have an empty feeling winning the WDC that way. Expecting him to race (with the possibility of a mistake) makes the last race of the season seem more exciting (now let's hope it will be!)

**geniusxs81** · 10-21-2008, 05:53 AM

McLaren need to see how things play out during practice and qualifying, and be prepared to run up front. If they are close, fuel both cars light, control the start, and have Kovalainen slow up the Ferraris while Lewis builds up a sizable lead.

If Ferrari looks like it will be too quick, it's still important for Heike to be near Hamilton, to keep Alonso at bay. Fernando is the real concern here and I can see him fueling light in order to stay in the mix. He REALLY doesn't want Lewis to win.

On the other hand, Kimi couldn't give a toss if Massa wins. Fortunately, he is no Senna (neither is Alonso), so I think everyone will behave themselves at the start.

**scoussysows** · 10-21-2008, 06:03 AM

McLaren need to see how things play out during practice and qualifying, and be prepared to run up front. If they are close, fuel both cars light, control the start, and have Kovalainen slow up the Ferraris while Lewis builds up a sizable lead.

If Ferrari looks like it will be too quick, it's still important for Heike to be near Hamilton, to keep Alonso at bay. Fernando is the real concern here and I can see him fueling light in order to stay in the mix. He REALLY doesn't want Lewis to win.

On the other hand, Kimi couldn't give a toss if Massa wins. Fortunately, he is no Senna (neither is Alonso), so I think everyone will behave themselves at the start.

So there is definitely still tension between Fernando and Lewis despite various people playing it down?

Funny how Fernando's up at the front again when Lewis needs to take the title

It's going to be a super race and actually I wouldn't bet against Alonso winning at Interlagos.

**dr-eavealer** · 10-21-2008, 06:43 AM

Lewis is a "wild horse" you can't tell him, go there, put yourself in 5th pos and keep it for the whole race no matter what. No he needs to go there and race like he did in all races so far, with his talent and a bit luck the title will be his. I don't think we will se the same movie we saw last year...

I don't think he should be stupid again like he was in Japan - that didn't help.

**dr-eavealer** · 10-21-2008, 06:45 AM

Funny how Fernando's up at the front again when Lewis needs to take the title It's going to be a super race and actually I wouldn't bet against Alonso winning at Interlagos.

Care to bet your sig on it? I'll back Felipe against Fonzo!

**kuklame** · 10-21-2008, 06:48 AM

So there is definitely still tension between Fernando.

Woodster you can't say something is definitive with a forum member’s opinion as reference

Fred and Lewis will have an adversarial relationship for the rest of their f1 careers. (Even when they're both driving for Ferrari)

They are both too absurdly rich and adored by their respective fans to have it mean any more than that! Let's stay away from the tabloid aspect of this race. There are other pilots that have their own adversaries. Those however simply don't sell fish-wraps!
Sponge Bob alone has to have a box full.

Funny how Fernando's up at the front again when Lewis needs to take the title It's going to be a super race and actually I wouldn't bet against Alonso winning at Interlagos.

If it's not a first race engine in Freds car It better be really wet, because both Ferraris are on race one engines!
That, or a lot of carnage!

Actually I'd love to see it, but Ferrari want that WCC also. They definately have something to lose in this race beside the WDC

**dr-eavealer** · 10-21-2008, 06:53 AM

Ferrari 1-2 coming up!!

10-20-2008, 08:49 PM	#21
nilliraq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 402 Senior Member	It's a piece of cake for Lewis now, and I suppose that RD will be smart enough not to push him to fight for the constructors championship points where Ferrari leads by 11 points anyway. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2008, 09:05 PM	#22
SkHukV3N Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 455 Senior Member	Considering what happened last year, I doubt Ron's will let history repeat itself. The challenge to have Lewis levelheaded enough not to race Massa and avoid any incidents. The game plan is simple, grab the pole and run away like they did in China. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2008, 09:19 PM	#23
MwhwF6bp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 506 Senior Member	It's a piece of cake for Lewis now, and I suppose that RD will be smart enough not to push him to fight for the constructors championship points where Ferrari leads by 11 points anyway. I'm surprised by you remark! You sound like a defeated Ferrari fan! It's not as easy as it sounds. The win in China was 1 step closer to WDC for Lewis. All Lewis needs to do is a solid result by bringing the car home by staying out of trouble. I was just thinking about Nicolas Minassian at the last LMS where he lost the title because of a contretemps with a backmarker and scored a DNF despite dominating the championship. Massa needs a win and DNF from Hamilton. I think there's still a WDC up for grabs for Massa. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2008, 10:18 PM	#24
nilliraq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 402 Senior Member	I'm just being realistic about the chances. Massa had his biggest chance in Singapore but the team managed to throw it away in a royal way. Them saying that all they need was three 1-2 finishes was laughable given the current competitiveness of the field. Ferrari has a good chance to walk away with the WCC title and try again next season. To win the WDC they need a miracle, IMO. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2008, 11:22 PM	#25
Dyerryjex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 727 Senior Member	But that "miracle" happened a year ago... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2008, 11:37 PM	#26
LasTins Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 629 Senior Member	I'm just being realistic about the chances. Massa had his biggest chance in Singapore but the team managed to throw it away in a royal way. Them saying that all they need was three 1-2 finishes was laughable given the current competitiveness of the field. Ferrari has a good chance to walk away with the WCC title and try again next season. To win the WDC they need a miracle, IMO. I will be happy if they win the WCC, however. I am not calm however, after Singapore, I can't be. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 01:25 AM	#27
ringtonesmannq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 464 Senior Member	Who could beat him? Massa and Kimi are probably gonna get 1-2 bar any problems. Kubica could get ahead, Alonso might. Heidfeld may if he qualifies high, same with Vettel or Trulli. So I think he really has to go for it - not on the limit, but as close as possible as he doesn't want to end up scrapping for 5th with Nick and Jarno. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 02:21 AM	#28
markshome23 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 433 Senior Member	I would like to see him just go for it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 02:46 AM	#29
appleiphoneees Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 541 Senior Member	Fuel Heikki light to try and get him on pole. Give Lewis a few laps eqtra and turn down the engine a bit after the first couple of qualifying laps and short shift. Heikki slows the field, Lewis takes the lead after the pit stops and everythings great until the after race penalty. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 05:31 AM	#30
dXI9XFOA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 562 Senior Member	Hamilton colliding with Massa. Should he get near Massa, he may collide with him - thinking that somebody (Raikkonen, Alonso) may collide with him and take him out on purpose... Your logic is mind blowing! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 05:32 AM	#31
Andrius Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 430 Senior Member	Heikki slows the field, Lewis takes the lead after the pit stops and everythings great until the after race penalty. Followed by McLaren's "request for clarification" appeal on whether the coffee in the Ferrari hospitality tent was within the acceptable temperature range. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 05:34 AM	#32
dXI9XFOA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 562 Senior Member	Lewis is a "wild horse" you can't tell him, go there, put yourself in 5th pos and keep it for the whole race no matter what. No he needs to go there and race like he did in all races so far, with his talent and a bit luck the title will be his. I don't think we will se the same movie we saw last year... Pretty much my same thoughts on Lewis "settling" for 5th. I think he would have an empty feeling winning the WDC that way. Expecting him to race (with the possibility of a mistake) makes the last race of the season seem more exciting (now let's hope it will be!) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 05:53 AM	#33
geniusxs81 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 511 Senior Member	McLaren need to see how things play out during practice and qualifying, and be prepared to run up front. If they are close, fuel both cars light, control the start, and have Kovalainen slow up the Ferraris while Lewis builds up a sizable lead. If Ferrari looks like it will be too quick, it's still important for Heike to be near Hamilton, to keep Alonso at bay. Fernando is the real concern here and I can see him fueling light in order to stay in the mix. He REALLY doesn't want Lewis to win. On the other hand, Kimi couldn't give a toss if Massa wins. Fortunately, he is no Senna (neither is Alonso), so I think everyone will behave themselves at the start. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 06:03 AM	#34
scoussysows Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	McLaren need to see how things play out during practice and qualifying, and be prepared to run up front. If they are close, fuel both cars light, control the start, and have Kovalainen slow up the Ferraris while Lewis builds up a sizable lead. If Ferrari looks like it will be too quick, it's still important for Heike to be near Hamilton, to keep Alonso at bay. Fernando is the real concern here and I can see him fueling light in order to stay in the mix. He REALLY doesn't want Lewis to win. On the other hand, Kimi couldn't give a toss if Massa wins. Fortunately, he is no Senna (neither is Alonso), so I think everyone will behave themselves at the start. So there is definitely still tension between Fernando and Lewis despite various people playing it down? Funny how Fernando's up at the front again when Lewis needs to take the title It's going to be a super race and actually I wouldn't bet against Alonso winning at Interlagos. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 06:43 AM	#35
dr-eavealer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 603 Senior Member	Lewis is a "wild horse" you can't tell him, go there, put yourself in 5th pos and keep it for the whole race no matter what. No he needs to go there and race like he did in all races so far, with his talent and a bit luck the title will be his. I don't think we will se the same movie we saw last year... I don't think he should be stupid again like he was in Japan - that didn't help. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 06:45 AM	#36
dr-eavealer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 603 Senior Member	Funny how Fernando's up at the front again when Lewis needs to take the title It's going to be a super race and actually I wouldn't bet against Alonso winning at Interlagos. Care to bet your sig on it? I'll back Felipe against Fonzo! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 06:48 AM	#37
kuklame Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 374 Senior Member	So there is definitely still tension between Fernando. Woodster you can't say something is definitive with a forum member’s opinion as reference Fred and Lewis will have an adversarial relationship for the rest of their f1 careers. (Even when they're both driving for Ferrari) They are both too absurdly rich and adored by their respective fans to have it mean any more than that! Let's stay away from the tabloid aspect of this race. There are other pilots that have their own adversaries. Those however simply don't sell fish-wraps! Sponge Bob alone has to have a box full. Funny how Fernando's up at the front again when Lewis needs to take the title It's going to be a super race and actually I wouldn't bet against Alonso winning at Interlagos. If it's not a first race engine in Freds car It better be really wet, because both Ferraris are on race one engines! That, or a lot of carnage! Actually I'd love to see it, but Ferrari want that WCC also. They definately have something to lose in this race beside the WDC Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 06:53 AM	#38
dr-eavealer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 603 Senior Member	Ferrari 1-2 coming up!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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