[piramirra]

their back is against the wall

I was born here in the city
With my back against the wall
Nothing grows, and life aint very pretty
No ones there to catch you when you fall.....

How very apt....

[Spongebob]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70392

No Kimi, you're not good enough.

I, for one, never want to see that lazy Finnish xxxx ever sit in a Ferrari again.

Yeah right. I'd prefer 'Lazy' over 'shameless blatant cheater-7 time ****in champ' any day. Anyway was never a fan of Kimi joining that unethical piece of shyt red team. Most wins, most championships, blah blah blah? Whoop-de-effin-doo. That prancing horse can stuff all of that you know where.

Well, at least he did do in 2007 what the chin couldn't in 2006.

[Hammaduersnes]

I was born here in the city
With my back against the wall
Nothing grows, and life aint very pretty
No ones there to catch you when you fall.....

How very apt....

Actually i think the "the Wall" did catch him......

"all in all you are just another brick in the wall..."

[Frdsdx26]

Yeah right. I'd prefer 'Lazy' over 'shameless blatant cheater-7 time ****in champ' any day. Anyway was never a fan of Kimi joining that unethical piece of shyt red team. Most wins, most championships, blah blah blah? Whoop-de-effin-doo. That prancing horse can stuff all of that you know where.

Well, at least he did do in 2007 what the chin couldn't in 2006.

Yeah he did once what MS did 7 times, what an achievement!
You seem sore, for whatever reason!

[Spongebob]

Yeah he did once what MS did 7 times, what an achievement!
You seem sore, for whatever reason!

That doesn't make sense Ioan. I'm talking about Kimi joining Ferrari which MS left at the end of 2006 after being beaten by Alonso, and Kimi winning the championship in 2007, his first year with the team. About the team 'Ferrari' specifically. I'm not talking about how many championships, how many wins, how long chin and all that accountant kinda crap. (Add the LOL smiley)

I'm proud of what Kimi did yesterday. He showed that he is a true racer and still has the hunger in him. He tried his best until the last moment, and unfortunately made a costly mistake, which was easy to do in that situation.

Anyday better than MS, who in a similar situation would have:

1. Tried to bang and take out Hamilton at every corner possible.
2. Park his car and his lapdog's car at a spot where everything would be blocked and the race would be red flagged.
3. Have a discussion with his team and the FIA after the race to penalize Hamilton for something stupid. (OH wait, that already did happen). *Add ROFL LOL smiley here.*

[emuffette]

That doesn't make sense Ioan. I'm talking about Kimi joining Ferrari which MS left at the end of 2006 after being beaten by Alonso, and Kimi winning the championship in 2007, his first year with the team. About the team 'Ferrari' specifically. I'm not talking about how many championships, how many wins, how long chin and all that accountant kinda crap. (Add the LOL smiley)

I'm proud of what Kimi did yesterday. He showed that he is a true racer and still has the hunger in him. He tried his best until the last moment, and unfortunately made a costly mistake, which was easy to do in that situation.

Anyday better than MS, who in a similar situation would have:

1. Tried to bang and take out Hamilton at every corner possible.
2. Park his car and his lapdog's car at a spot where everything would be blocked and the race would be red flagged.
3. Have a discussion with his team and the FIA after the race to penalize Hamilton for something stupid. (OH wait, that already did happen). *Add ROFL LOL smiley here.*

So I take it you're not a Ferrari fan?

[Spongebob]

So I take it you're not a Ferrari fan?

Oh you nailed it! I guess I am not very good at keeping secrets.

[Frdsdx26]

Oh you nailed it! I guess I am not very good at keeping secrets.

We also know that you didn't like MS, to put it mildly, and as soon as Kimi will leave Ferrari you will have an axe to grind.

[TritteTouff]

Back to the topic thank you

[piramirra]

Back to the topic thank you

How did you know what choccy bar I was eating? That's scary!

[tetMitshisk]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70392

No Kimi, you're not good enough.

I, for one, never want to see that lazy Finnish xxxx ever sit in a Ferrari again.

I, for one, never want to see any of your posts on this forum again.


It seems that there is a group of people for whom Kimi can do nothing right.
If he doesn`t test, he is lazy.
If he tests, he is taking valueable time because he understands nothing about cars.
If he settles for position and doesn`t attempt to overtake, he is called a cruiser and unmotivated.
If he goes for it 100% and has an accident, he is called an idiot.

But we all know who the true lazy idiots here are and it isn`t kimi.


Great racing yesterday from him - The McLaren was slightly faster even in dry, but he drove superbly. Of course, the hard tyre later on when it got wet didn`t work at all for the Ferraris, but at least he gave it his all and if Rosberg hadn`t idiotically driven so slowly, maybe he hadn`t crashed out. If he had settled for 2nd, the usual morons here would still be crying about how he is no true racer and how easily he gave up.

All in all, I only have good words for him based on yesterday. A True racer 100%.

[CesseOveldset]

Kimi races to win. Obviously I was very disappointed when he crashed out, because I would much rather have seen him win the race than either Hamilton or Massa. Massa only managed because he was driving so extremely tentatively - he wasn't racing anyone. The Ferrari is inferior in the wet, and seeing how much Hamilton was able to close in during braking highlighted it. I hope he can win again before the season is over.

[sDePrx59]

Great racing yesterday from him - The McLaren was slightly faster even in dry, but he drove superbly. Of course, the hard tyre later on when it got wet didn`t work at all for the Ferraris, but at least he gave it his all...

I'm not sure I'd agree that the McLaren was the faster car. From what I saw watching the sector times the McLaren & the Ferrari were very evenly matched over the whole lap in the dry. Hamilton was quicker in sector 1, but Kimi clawed that time back and often more in sector 2, while sector 3 was frequently a dead heat between the two of them.

I do agree that Kimi is getting unjustified criticism though. He was racing to win and that's what racers do. The last couple of laps were so unpredictable and frantic that errors were inevitable, and unfortunately for Kimi his was more costly than others.

[tetMitshisk]

I'm not sure I'd agree that the McLaren was the faster car. From what I saw watching the sector times the McLaren & the Ferrari were very evenly matched over the whole lap in the dry. Hamilton was quicker in sector 1, but Kimi clawed that time back and often more in sector 2, while sector 3 was frequently a dead heat between the two of them.

I do agree that Kimi is getting unjustified criticism though. He was racing to win and that's what racers do. The last couple of laps were so unpredictable and frantic that errors were inevitable, and unfortunately for Kimi his was more costly than others.

I think the gap between McLaren and Ferrari was very small, but Kimi is a Spa expert and Hamilton still stayed easily within 1 second of him in the first stint.
McLaren had a small advantage in dry, but the moment it was wet, McLaren was much better.

[TerriLS]

I, for one, never want to see any of your posts on this forum again.


It seems that there is a group of people for whom Kimi can do nothing right.
If he doesn`t test, he is lazy.
If he tests, he is taking valueable time because he understands nothing about cars.
If he settles for position and doesn`t attempt to overtake, he is called a cruiser and unmotivated.
If he goes for it 100% and has an accident, he is called an idiot.

But we all know who the true lazy idiots here are and it isn`t kimi.


Great racing yesterday from him - The McLaren was slightly faster even in dry, but he drove superbly. Of course, the hard tyre later on when it got wet didn`t work at all for the Ferraris, but at least he gave it his all and if Rosberg hadn`t idiotically driven so slowly, maybe he hadn`t crashed out. If he had settled for 2nd, the usual morons here would still be crying about how he is no true racer and how easily he gave up.

All in all, I only have good words for him based on yesterday. A True racer 100%.

[Frdsdx26]

Kimi has a history of losing because 2nd isn't good enough. Just take a look at how he lost the 2005 WDC in Nurburgring.

One should learn from his mistakes, rather sooner than later or never.

[tetMitshisk]

Kimi has a history of losing because 2nd isn't good enough. Just take a look at how he lost the 2005 WDC in Nurburgring.

One should learn from his mistakes, rather sooner than later or never.

He lost the 2005 WDC there? That is news to me. I thought the engine failures had something to do with it all.

What people do not seemingly understand is that these people are racers.

I am 100% sure that Michael Schumacher in a similar situation as Kimi was in 2005 at Nurburgring, would have kept going too. Because he was a racer 100%. Just take a look at Spa 1995 and Hungary 2006. In one of them he came off a complete winner when he risked on dry tyres in wet, in the other, sure, in the end it didn`t turn out well, but at least he went for the maximum and easily he could have pulled out a great result. Or Senna at spa in 1992.

Someone like Barrichello or Button or Fisichella would have pitted and not risked, but maybe that is why they never have or will win titles.

Sometimes you just have to take risks. If Kimis car had stayed in piece for one more lap, everyone would have praised him. If he had pitted, everyone would have said, the guy is a cruiser, a true racer would have kept on going.
So it is a fine line between success and failure.
I will give you another example - Mika vs Michael at spa in 2000. Imagine if Zonta had moved a little to the right to give more room to Schumi and hit Mika. I can imagine certain people saying Mika was an idiot because he went for such a risky move.
People want to see racing and cry it is boring all the time. Now they have some guys really trying to race, taking risks and still it is bad, because one of them happened to make a mistake in difficult conditions.
Maybe you guys are watching the wrong sport, I recommend curling and figure skating.

[TerriLS]

One should learn from his mistakes, rather sooner than later or never.

Kimi was in a position to fight for the win.

Another way of looking at it is he needs to take points off Lewis, not give Lewis another 2pt advantage.

Anyway, don't you agree that hot-heads make entertaining races?

http://www.motorsportforum.com/forum...4&postcount=11

[Frdsdx26]

He lost the 2005 WDC there? That is news to me. I thought the engine failures had something to do with it all.

he couldn't control the engines from failing, but changing a wheel was at his discretion.
IMO he lost the Championship there and than, those 8 points he could have brought home would have been enough in the end, if I'm not mistaken.

I am 100% sure that Michael Schumacher in a similar situation as Kimi was in 2005 at Nurburgring, would have kept going too.

You say you are an MS fan, but this quote of yours clearly proves that you don't know him at all.
The MS of the Benetton era might have done it, but the Ferrari era MS would never have done that.

[Donadoni1809]

I have noticed that Kimi's mistakes somehow always get more easily excused. Imagine if Massa or Hamilton had made the same mistake and binned into the wall - I don't want to imagine the bashing and gloating going on here...

If Massa had hit the wall, I'd imagine sentences like "I never thought he's WDC material and above average", "I told you he can't drive without TC and is useless in the rain".
Or Hamilton - "He always chokes under pressure and will never win a WDC."

I agree with those opinions that Kimi certainly didn't lack of motivation and fought hard - kudos to him for that. But another myth, which has existed for years, like he is an IceMan, who is extremely cool and never cracks under pressure, isn't simply true. And Hamilton managed those last laps simply better, however hard Kimi tried.

Finally, Alonso (who has often been suggested to become a future Ferrari driver) would have surely managed those last laps differently. He would have brought those secure 8 points home or gone for wets (like he actually did from P3 before the last lap).