[whimpykid]

You still believe a word Whitmarsh says?

Maybe, maybe not!! But "I trust in ioan"

[sDePrx59]

You still believe a word Whitmarsh says?

It's easy for Race Control to confirm or deny what Whitmarsh said happened isn't it.

Central to the appeal is this: "If Race Control had instead expressed any concern regarding Lewis's actions at that time, we would have instructed Lewis to allow Kimi to repass for a second time."

No such concern was expressed.

[Alkassyinhisk]

That is the critical point for me too. You can't have a situation where one official says it is ok then another says it is not and hands out a punishment. If the race officials did not know it was an offense then how are the team supposed to know. To my mind this means no penalty can be applied completely regardless of the offence.

[whimpykid]

That is the critical point for me too. You can't have a situation where one official says it is ok then another says it is not and hands out a punishment. If the race officials did not know it was an offense then how are the team supposed to know. To my mind this means no penalty can be applied completely regardless of the offence.

Mark!! we are talking about FIA stewards here!!

[lXwVlTgO]

Mark!! we are talking about FIA stewards here!!

You know it

Problem is, the FIA are either incompetent or biased.

You can't blame the teams if it's the first but what will they do if it is the 2nd.

There is enough evidence to warrent an investigation and I cannot see how the FIA can duck an appeal.

[Verriasana]

A cyninc might suggest that the FIA will wait a few weeks to see how the championship develops before deciding whether or not to reinstate Hamilton's deserved win.

The FIA have made themselves look stupid, and the steward's crass and idiotic comments about how he is now welcome in any Italian restaurant (source) only serve to inflame the situation and raise questions about his objectivity.

[fil_nurser]

A cyninc might suggest that the FIA will wait a few weeks to see how the championship develops before deciding whether or not to reinstate Hamilton's deserved win.

The FIA have made themselves look stupid, and the steward's crass and idiotic comments about how he is now welcome in any Italian restaurant (source) only serve to inflame the situation and raise questions about his objectivity.

LOL omg....If he does his job as a steward as professional as he gives interviews....well....ummmmmmmm....dunno...

[CesseOveldset]

A cyninc might suggest that the FIA will wait a few weeks to see how the championship develops before deciding whether or not to reinstate Hamilton's deserved win.

The FIA have made themselves look stupid, and the steward's crass and idiotic comments about how he is now welcome in any Italian restaurant (source) only serve to inflame the situation and raise questions about his objectivity.

If you think that was idiotic wait until you read his take on Sebastien Loeb having facial hair

[lXwVlTgO]

A cyninc might suggest that the FIA will wait a few weeks to see how the championship develops before deciding whether or not to reinstate Hamilton's deserved win.

The FIA have made themselves look stupid, and the steward's crass and idiotic comments about how he is now welcome in any Italian restaurant (source) only serve to inflame the situation and raise questions about his objectivity.

This man seems to be revelling in the scandle, doesn't he.

[Lillie_Steins]

You still believe a word Whitmarsh says?

Well, he was there in contact with the FIA, so I'd take his word over a forumer on a message board.

Though, can anyone confirm is it the FIA that decide the verdict of an appeal.

If so, considering they confirmed it was perfectly legal, it should be pretty straightforward process of handing the win back?

[sDePrx59]

Because it's up to the stewards to decide, not to the race director.

Indeed, but shouldn't they at least have a similar understanding of the rules? They are FIA officials after all.

[lXwVlTgO]

Indeed, but shouldn't they at least have a similar understanding of the rules? They are FIA officials after all.

You would have thought so but apparently not.

It's a sad day when the team and driver try to comply with the rules, the Race Director and senior FIA officials confirm that they are in the right yet some steward with a rule book stuck up his ass manages to find an excuse to take a richly deserved win away from the best driver on the day.

Expect to see a group of Lawyers running the show at Monza with teams appealing against each other and citing the strict letter, if not the spirit of the rules as justification for penalising their competitors.

[Frdsdx26]

Indeed, but shouldn't they at least have a similar understanding of the rules? They are FIA officials after all.

I rather believe that 3 people can give a better and more objective answer to the problem than 1 lonely person. Especially as they took their time to analyze the facts, unlike Charlie who had to give an answer out of the blue, and rightly he used the term "probably".
If not, what use to have stewards at a race.

Imagine that Charlie would be the one deciding everything, wow, I can imagine the amount of crying out loud around here, how he is Max's tool and how he is favoring one over the other and so on.

[gfkasjhfg]

mclaren vs. common sense round n

[Frdsdx26]

mclaren vs. common sense round n

Very well put!

[fil_nurser]

It wasn't confirmed by the race stewards. Only by the race director, who is Charlie Whiting.

Ron Dennis stated that -
“Inevitably, we wanted to know whether that was deemed to be a correction so we checked with [FIA race director] Charlie [Whiting]. "Of course Charlie can only give an opinion because he's not the stewards.”

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=43849

It's not the FIA's problem or fault that Mclaren checked with the incorrect person.

Mclaren & Ron Dennis just need to accept that they fecked it up by not checking with the correct people.

That was a Mclaren's mistake. Actualy, it borders on incompetence. Mclaren need to learn from it.

That's how I think they should feel.

Makes me wonder why it's called a race director if he has no or hardly any influence when it comes to giving penalties ?

[secondmertg]

Makes me wonder why it's called a race director if he has no or hardly any influence when it comes to giving penalties ?

Charlie receives the protest , and asks the stewards for a ruling .
He runs the race , and they deal with race issues .

[sDePrx59]

It's not the FIA's problem or fault that Mclaren checked with the incorrect person.

Mclaren & Ron Dennis just need to accept that they fecked it up by not checking with the correct people.

That was a Mclaren's mistake. Actualy, it borders on incompetence. Mclaren need to learn from it.

You raise an interesting point - "not checking with the correct people".

That raises two questions (one of which has been raised before). Firstly, are the stewards available to the teams during a race to clarify these kind of things? Secondly, whether they are or not, shouldn't the Race Director have the same, or at least a very similar, understanding of the FIA rules to the stewards?

[Fdhwzctl]

The teams have no way of contacting the stewards during a race. Everything goes through the race director.
These threads remind me of a WoO race. Round and round getting more and more obscured by a cloud of dust.

[fil_nurser]

Charlie receives the protest , and asks the stewards for a ruling .
He runs the race , and they deal with race issues .

Makes me wonder who protested as Ferrari denied they did...