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Old 09-07-2008, 09:42 PM   #1
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Default Stewards to probe Hamilton, Raikkonen clash
The Belgian Grand Prix stewards cast doubt over the result of the race after announcing an incident between Lewis Hamilton and Kimi Raikkonen was under investigation.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70381
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:46 PM   #2
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Why? They were bloody racing.

Neither should be penalized.
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:50 PM   #3
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There should be no penalty, he gave back the position he gained by shortcutting the chicane and than it was game on.
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:51 PM   #4
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Let's hope that's how the stewards see it.
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:52 PM   #5
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There should be no penalty, he gave back the position he gained by shortcutting the chicane and than it was game on.
Wait a minute, did I just read that right?

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Old 09-07-2008, 09:54 PM   #6
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Wait a minute, did I just read that right?

lol

I had the same reaction.
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:55 PM   #7
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There should be no penalty, he gave back the position he gained by shortcutting the chicane and than it was game on.
thats how it looked to me, and then they continued to go wheel to wheel for the rest of the lap - 2 into 1 wouldn't go in the chocane and Leiws had to avoid, and gave the spot right back - it was a bit sneaky to then jam it stright back up the inside - i think the investigation will be if the cutting the corner he gave himself a better chance of the overtake into la source

it would be a tough to give a penalty
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:57 PM   #8
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There should be no penalty, he gave back the position he gained by shortcutting the chicane and than it was game on.
The issue, as ever, is inconsistency. Remember Japan '05?

Alonso passed Klien down the front straight in the same way, pulled out a lead of 5 seconds, and was told to slow down because he apparently didn't let Klien past properly. So he had to back off by five seconds to re-address that (he was fighting a McLaren and Klien was bog slow that day which made it worse).

Nonetheless I don't expect a penalty here.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:06 PM   #9
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Lewes came round the outside of the fist corner and had the inside line coming into the next.

Kimi squeezed and Lewis had to cut the chicane to avoid an accident.

Lewis came out slightly ahead but McLaren radioed to let Kimi take it back which Lewis did.

This gave position and momentum to Kimi who was ahead at the line.

Lewis was so much quicker that he still easily took him at the next corner and despite getting a tap from Kimi, pulled away.

McLaren checked with Charlie W whether they had complied with the regulations and he confirmed that from a FIA opinion, they had.

Can't think of anything else?
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:07 PM   #10
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The issue, as ever, is inconsistency. Remember Japan '05?

Alonso passed Klien down the front straight in the same way, pulled out a lead of 5 seconds, and was told to slow down because he apparently didn't let Klien past properly. So he had to back off by five seconds to re-address that (he was fighting a McLaren and Klien was bog slow that day which made it worse).
I don't see the problem there!

Alonso should have given the place back on that very moment, not doing so cost him 5 seconds. Looks to me like a brain fart from FA and Renault.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:08 PM   #11
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I can't see any advantage. If Raikkonen hadn't squeezed him out there would be no need for Hamilton to cut the corner.

Completely fair move by both drivers so a penalty would be harsh
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:09 PM   #12
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So surely those who were demanding consistency from race stewards will be doing the same now?

Arrows? Time to step up to the plate!

Personally,I thought the point was not to gain an advantage...

"So I let him past, then got in his tow and he was ducking and diving left and right but I managed to get past him and I was pretty much gone from there."

The "got in his tow" bit could be an advantage. Certainly more so than Alonso having to back off 5 seconds.
But that was a harsh call from the stewards on that occasion. Similar thing happens often at the first chicane at Monza and nothing done about it.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:10 PM   #13
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I agree with everyone's comments.

There is really nothing for the stewards to look at.

Let's hope the fIa don't mess up what was an exciting race.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:11 PM   #14
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So surely those who were demanding consistency from race stewards will be doing the same now?

Arrows? Time to step up to the plate!

Personally,I thought the point was not to gain an advantage...

"So I let him past, then got in his tow and he was ducking and diving left and right but I managed to get past him and I was pretty much gone from there."

The "got in his tow" bit could be an advantage. Certainly more so than Alonso having to back off 5 seconds.
I disagree, he was right behind or even along Kimi when they touched, so giving the position back was all he had to do and he did so.

From a championship POV I would have loved Massa to make up ground, but on the track not as a result of some wrong decision.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:11 PM   #15
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I don't see the problem there!

Alonso should have given the place back on that very moment, not doing so cost him 5 seconds. Looks to me like a brain fart from FA and Renault.
He did give the place back at that very moment, before repassing him moments later, then being told he had to forfeit 5 seconds.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:12 PM   #16
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Alonso should have given the place back on that very moment
That's the point. HE DID. ...just like Hamilton did today. But Alonso was told to do it again and lost a lot of time.

You can blame Mr. Ecclestone for my lack of video footage which is pretty much video proof for what I just said.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:13 PM   #17
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thats how it looked to me, and then they continued to go wheel to wheel for the rest of the lap - 2 into 1 wouldn't go in the chocane and Leiws had to avoid, and gave the spot right back - it was a bit sneaky to then jam it stright back up the inside - i think the investigation will be if the cutting the corner he gave himself a better chance of the overtake into la source

it would be a tough to give a penalty
By giving the position back to Kimi, Hamilton negated any advantage he won by cutting the chicane, and even lost some more speed compared to Kimi (well he had to be slower in order for the Ferrari to pass him!).

There is nothing to be seen here, Hamilton won it fair and square.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:16 PM   #18
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are my eyes deceiving me

anyway both of them fought fair and hard...good on Hamilton,Tough on Raikkonen
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:17 PM   #19
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That's the point. HE DID. ...just like Hamilton did today. But he was told to do it again and lost a lot of time.

You can blame Mr. Ecclestone for my lack of video footage which is pretty much video proof for what I just said.
I see what you mean.

If I remember it rightly Alonso was further down the road compared to Klien than Hamilton was compared to Kimi.

In order to restorate the situation to what it was before FA cut the chicane, he should have done more than tuck behind Klien for a fraction of a second.
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Old 09-07-2008, 10:21 PM   #20
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Personally,I thought the point was not to gain an advantage...
By giving the position back to Kimi, Hamilton negated any advantage he won by cutting the chicane...
Had he not given the place back Hamilton would probably have been penalised, but he did give the place back. And that is all he had to do.
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