[911_993_911]

No, it was not by luck. Only a great car can finish with such problems. There were 70 and not 70 and something laps.

That car could have caught fire at any moment, they were lucky it didn't happen.

[gennickhif]

They were lucky to start 1st and 2nd, lucky to get a clean start, lucky to have no problems in pit-stops, lucky to have no spins in the rain, lucky that the exhause broke/burnt a hole in the chassis to keep the engine bay cool, lucky to have enough of a lead to allow them a cushion incase something went wrong, lucky to have a driver who could nurse a broken car home, lucky that the race wasn't a few laps longer. Damn! They were lucky!
:P

[NumStulpata]

That car could have caught fire at any moment, they were lucky it didn't happen.

To me it is a good design. They made their own luck.

[GlarlraTpople]

So Kimi had a new engine for this event and the engine is probably grilled after the race - therefore ten place penalty in Silverstone for changing the engine is most likely heading Kimi's way? Bummer.

[NumStulpata]

So Kimi had a new engine for this event and the engine is probably grilled after the race - therefore ten place penalty in Silverstone for changing the engine is most likely heading Kimi's way? Bummer.

Well, I didn't thought about that. If this happens, the race will be probably Massa vs Lewis.

[LymnInvinny]

So Kimi had a new engine for this event and the engine is probably grilled after the race - therefore ten place penalty in Silverstone for changing the engine is most likely heading Kimi's way? Bummer.

They can change engine once this season without a penalty...

[gennickhif]

Very sharp Shalafi! I didn't notice that rule

[freeprescriptionplanrrx]

They were lucky to start 1st and 2nd, lucky to get a clean start, lucky to have no problems in pit-stops, lucky to have no spins in the rain, lucky that the exhause broke/burnt a hole in the chassis to keep the engine bay cool, lucky to have enough of a lead to allow them a cushion incase something went wrong, lucky to have a driver who could nurse a broken car home, lucky that the race wasn't a few laps longer. Damn! They were lucky!
:P

the car is fast. i am not questioning their speed. but i am questioning their quality control and small niggling errors by the ferrari braintrust. errors such as choosing which tires to put on kimi's car after the alloted time slot at monaco was stupid and it resulted in a drive thru penalty. and the exhaust piece should never have been lose to begin with. kimi stated that a couple of more laps and the car would have been toast. so yea it is both unlucky that it happened but lucky the care was able to build a huge lead and only lose one spot. i am just saying ferrari seems alot more sloppy lately. i think Luca Baldisserri is capable but he is not clearly head and shoulders above the rest.

[8IhGpvH0]

Let's see. They have won 5 of 8 races including 3 1-2s, are the only team with both drivers in championship contention and are leading both championships. Bloody hell! I'm sure the other 9 teams wouldn't want Ferrari's problems!

Yes they have made errors of both procedure and strategy but those errors occured in the past too. Their reliability is pretty good. They've only sufferred 2 mechanical DNFs from 16 starts this season which is better than 2007.

They've got the fastest car and the best driver combination. They only thing they are lacking is perhaps the best race-day strategists. As I said, I'm sure the others teams would trade places in a heart beat.

[KignPeeseeamn]

OK, this is becoming ridiculous. It seems they are making crucial pit stratedy errors and seem to be more prone to breakdowns than ever before. The bulletproof reliability and expertise in stratedy that MS enjoyed seems to be gone. Ferrari seems like the team that was pre-MS,Brawn,Todt. Bumbling and second rate.

If Ferrari were going backwards, it would appear that McLaren didn't bother to turn up. Where were they? and Renault? I guess Honda would have loved to be going backwards like Ferrari.

[KignPeeseeamn]

the car is fast. i am not questioning their speed. but i am questioning their quality control and small niggling errors by the ferrari braintrust. errors such as choosing which tires to put on kimi's car after the alloted time slot at monaco was stupid and it resulted in a drive thru penalty. and the exhaust piece should never have been lose to begin with. kimi stated that a couple of more laps and the car would have been toast. so yea it is both unlucky that it happened but lucky the care was able to build a huge lead and only lose one spot. i am just saying ferrari seems alot more sloppy lately. i think Luca Baldisserri is capable but he is not clearly head and shoulders above the rest.

I think you should look carefully at the results and check them; I don't think Ferrari lost one spot. Maybe a change of reading glasses might assist here.

[freeprescriptionplanrrx]

I think you should look carefully at the results and check them; I don't think Ferrari lost one spot. Maybe a change of reading glasses might assist here.

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ferrari got their 1-2 but it should have been kimi with the win. instead massa recieved some good luck and won the race. having said that he did well to qualify so close to kimi with one more lap of fuel.

hey valve this not about comparing ferrari to any other team such as maclaren, renault. this is strictly about ferrari. ferrari set a standard with their dominance and it is about ferrari matching their past performance.Their braintrust have made some silly silly errors recently and that is what i am commenting on.

[freeprescriptionplanrrx]

Let's see. They have won 5 of 8 races including 3 1-2s, are the only team with both drivers in championship contention and are leading both championships. Bloody hell! I'm sure the other 9 teams wouldn't want Ferrari's problems!

Yes they have made errors of both procedure and strategy but those errors occured in the past too. Their reliability is pretty good. They've only sufferred 2 mechanical DNFs from 16 starts this season which is better than 2007.

They've got the fastest car and the best driver combination. They only thing they are lacking is perhaps the best race-day strategists. As I said, I'm sure the others teams would trade places in a heart beat.

no doubt other teams would kill to be where ferrari is right now. i am saying ferarri is slipping from the standards they set for themselves. Ferrari in all likelyhood will capture both titles. but they can do it maximising points each race. for some reason, either through driver errors, bad pit decisions, reliabilty issues, or just bad luck, they have not been dominating as they should. things like hamilton running into kimi is out of ferrari's hands as well as sc related issues. but they can help themselves by not making mistakes behind the pit wall and making sure quality control is improved. they just have not been dominating as they should, of course this is better for F1 that the championship is close but as a kimi fan it is frustrating that he is leaving points on the table that could be in his pocket.

[KignPeeseeamn]

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ferrari got their 1-2 but it should have been kimi with the win. instead massa recieved some good luck and won the race. having said that he did well to qualify so close to kimi with one more lap of fuel.

hey valve this not about comparing ferrari to any other team such as maclaren, renault. this is strictly about ferrari. ferrari set a standard with their dominance and it is about ferrari matching their past performance.Their braintrust have made some silly silly errors recently and that is what i am commenting on.

Not true!! dropping exhausts is part of Ferrari folklore, as is getting three wheels only during a wheel change. We could also argue that Super Aguri set the standard because nothing seemed to fall off their cars.
Nor Volvo either, for that matter.

[KignPeeseeamn]

i am saying ferarri is slipping from the standards they set for themselves. Ferrari in all likelyhood will capture both titles. but they can do it maximising points each race. .

If my memory serves me correctly, Ferrari scored a 1-2 yesterday, thus maximising their points. Had they been going backwards, they would have been beaten by Team Honda.

[KhJOHbTM]

The simple fact is no team this year appears to be better than in previous seasons and it is sad that Ferrari are so dominant yet clearly so flawed. What does that say about their competition??? Maybe this is because of the new regs in 2009 or lack of driver aids but French GP appeared to be a comedy of errors that should not be seen in world class motorsport.

[freeprescriptionplanrrx]

Not true!! dropping exhausts is part of Ferrari folklore, as is getting three wheels only during a wheel change. We could also argue that Super Aguri set the standard because nothing seemed to fall off their cars.
Nor Volvo either, for that matter.

yes! that is what i am afraid of.. soon they will revert back to those days of 3 wheels being changed and then a bunch of guys looking around and cursing at each other. and can you please for once go through a post without commenting about super aguri?

[freeprescriptionplanrrx]

The simple fact is no team this year appears to be better than in previous seasons and it is sad that Ferrari are so dominant yet clearly so flawed. What does that say about their competition??? Maybe this is because of the new regs in 2009 or lack of driver aids but French GP appeared to be a comedy of errors that should not be seen in world class motorsport.

yes! that is it. they have a car that is so dominant that even with a broken exhaust, losing about a second per lap compared to the field, takes the checkered in second place. They should be winning a 1-2 every race. oh well, i guess that is why they actually run the race, never know what is going to happen.

[NumStulpata]

If Ferrari were going backwards, it would appear that McLaren didn't bother to turn up. Where were they? and Renault? I guess Honda would have loved to be going backwards like Ferrari.

Everybody, except BMW, has gone backwards, that's why the season is so exciting. Look at 2003 - a great season, because every team made so many mistakes

[911_993_911]

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ferrari got their 1-2 but it should have been kimi with the win. instead massa recieved some good luck and won the race. having said that he did well to qualify so close to kimi with one more lap of fuel.

In fact he had 3 more laps of fuel in quali, he lost one lap when he went for another try while Kimi aborted his, plus he stayed out 2 more laps after Kimi's pit stop.

However he wasn't fast enough during the race, and he conceded he was lucky to win.