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Old 05-29-2008, 06:20 PM   #1
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Default Wet / Dry tyres
Rumour has it (I'm just the messenger) that Max has an interest in bringing in a single wet and dry tyre under safety regulations.

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Old 05-29-2008, 06:34 PM   #2
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:35 PM   #3
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They've been talking about that for years. Stupid idea 10 years ago, stupid idea now.
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:46 PM   #4
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Rumour has it (I'm just the messenger) that Max has an interest in bringing in a single wet and dry tyre under safety regulations.

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That idea deserves none.
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:56 PM   #5
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That's why it's a rumour at this moment. However, it looks like it may be being seriously considered but no link I'm afraid.

I absolutly hate the idea. Greats like Senna differentiated their skill by staying out on slicks and being competitive long after others had pitted.

Yet more dumbing down of F1.
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:12 PM   #6
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Link?
The rumour's been around for a looooooong time.
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:29 PM   #7
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That's why it's a rumour at this moment. However, it looks like it may be being seriously considered but no link I'm afraid.

I absolutly hate the idea. Greats like Senna differentiated their skill by staying out on slicks and being competitive long after others had pitted.

Yet more dumbing down of F1.
I just thought that maybe there is a link to an article that explain a bit the technicalities considered a base for this "idea".

One dry tire would be acceptable, if it was the same for the whole season and it was know to all teams when they start working on their car that will be used with this tire.

The one wet weather tire is however a bit far fetched because it will have to be a heavy rain tire that would work well with lots of water on track but than degrade fast when the track develops towards damp and dry conditions. A standard wet weather tire is out of question, unless they are planing to run some races under SC from lights to flag.
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:35 PM   #8
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A single tyre for all circumstances has been considered for a while. But a single type of wet tyre has been done before. IIRC Goodyear only had one type of wet, no inters!
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:43 PM   #9
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I only have the one set of tyres in my Volvo for both wet and dry, not to mention ice and snow.

I just have to drive more carefully under adverse conditions, that's all!!
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:48 PM   #10
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I just thought that maybe there is a link to an article that explain a bit the technicalities considered a base for this "idea".

One dry tire would be acceptable, if it was the same for the whole season and it was know to all teams when they start working on their car that will be used with this tire.

The one wet weather tire is however a bit far fetched because it will have to be a heavy rain tire that would work well with lots of water on track but than degrade fast when the track develops towards damp and dry conditions. A standard wet weather tire is out of question, unless they are planing to run some races under SC from lights to flag.
The idea being mooted is for 1 tyre.
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:03 PM   #11
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The idea being mooted is for 1 tyre.
You see, this is why I asked a link! I had no idea about it.
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:11 PM   #12
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You see, this is why I asked a link! I had no idea about it.
http://atlasf1.autosport.com/99/mar17/grapevine.html

March 17 1999!!

However what I found more interesting was the discussion was talking about KERS. Shows how old the technology really is!
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:24 PM   #13
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If I remember correctly, then a similar idea was implemented in 2003, when each tyre manufacturer (Michelin and Bridgestone) could bring only one wet weather tyre set (either intermediate or full wet) to a Grand Prix.

For Melbourne both tyre companies brought full wets, but in the beginning the track was only damp and switching to dries quickly was beneficial.

For Interlagos both tyre companies had "learned" and brought inters, but the conditions were so difficult that almost half of the grid spun off.

After those cases the idea of one wet tyre was abandoned. FIA tried to cut costs, but the carnage at Interlagos showed that it actually increased costs.
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:37 PM   #14
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http://atlasf1.autosport.com/99/mar17/grapevine.html

March 17 1999!!

However what I found more interesting was the discussion was talking about KERS. Shows how old the technology really is!
Blimey, didn't know they were talking about it wayyyy back then.

The rumour I heard was that BS was asked before the whole MM thing kicked off about the possibility of a single tyre like an inter. They would still produce a Full wet (or Monsoon if you like) but the conditions at Monoco reminded me that it was still under consideration.

Max may not have the stomach (or job) to force it in now though.
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Old 05-29-2008, 09:06 PM   #15
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Weren't they going to slicks? How can a slick be a wet tyre?
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Old 05-29-2008, 10:07 PM   #16
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Slicks next year, yes.
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Old 05-29-2008, 10:32 PM   #17
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http://atlasf1.autosport.com/99/mar17/grapevine.html

March 17 1999!!

However what I found more interesting was the discussion was talking about KERS. Shows how old the technology really is!
Shows how the FIA missed a trick if you ask me. How advanced would energy recovery systems be now if they had been allowed in '99?
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:36 PM   #18
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Where did you hear about thar rumurs and start this thread?
in the monaco grid?
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Old 05-30-2008, 11:17 AM   #19
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Let me search the source again

Nobody have discussed effectiveness on one-tires race after watching single accident of Heikki couple races ago while it's obvious for the tires fault. It is fairly to indicate that no product of tires are perfectly safe from such accident. This could bring Michelin back again into the race.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:11 PM   #20
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Shows how the FIA missed a trick if you ask me. How advanced would energy recovery systems be now if they had been allowed in '99?
The problem isn't the FIA missing the trick but the teams agreeing to what the FIA asks.
The teams are not willing to spend money to develop all kind of systems that are being asked by the FIA, and it took lots of time and work done by Mosley to push some changes through.
This is something that should be know, when making comments about the FIA in relation to F1 changes.
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