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Old 10-07-2007, 04:27 PM   #1
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Default McLaren crew spilt the beans for Hamilton.. terrible *Merged*
Lewis is out of shangai gp.

why the heck Mclaren boys left it too long to bring in Lewis.
certainly his tyres were looking really bad for number of laps, and he was losing something like 3 seconds per lap at times..

I want to rip Lewis's race engineer's trousers and beat his back until he dies.

this is just toomuch of a mistake by mclaren costs lewis's race! now Alonso and the co are laughing at Lewis needs someone to push his car back on to the track..

well.. all going go down to the wire in brazil... I sense Lewis might just wobble and lose again.. i hope not.

I remember Kimi's race when they left him to take a gamble then his tyres failed... today mclaren also proved to be greedy.

real shame ;-(
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:29 PM   #2
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After Alonso's retirement and the Stewards support yesterday, justice is sweet

But calm down, Lewis will win in Brazil. The championship, I mean, I think that Massa will win the race.
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:32 PM   #3
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The tyres should have been changed earlier.
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:33 PM   #4
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Lewis is out of shangai gp.

why the heck Mclaren boys left it too long to bring in Lewis.
certainly his tyres were looking really bad for number of laps, and he was losing something like 3 seconds per lap at times..

I want to rip Lewis's race engineer's trousers and beat his back until he dies.

this is just toomuch of a mistake by mclaren costs lewis's race! now Alonso and the co are laughing at Lewis needs someone to push his car back on to the track..

well.. all going go down to the wire in brazil... I sense Lewis might just wobble and lose again.. i hope not.

I remember Kimi's race when they left him to take a gamble then his tyres failed... today mclaren also proved to be greedy.

real shame ;-(
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:34 PM   #5
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Lewis was classy after retirement, though. Although I don't like him, he has te marks of a great champion.
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:37 PM   #6
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Lewis was classy after retirement, though. Although I don't like him, he has te marks of a great champion.
you are right.. Lewis should have gone on and won in style..
its the greediness of Mclaren bosses left him to deal with badley deflamated tyres.. which we could see clearly on tv, and hsi race engineer was an complete idiot to see Lewis to deal with it, else if there were communication failure?
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:40 PM   #7
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After Alonso's retirement and the Stewards support yesterday, justice is sweet

But calm down, Lewis will win in Brazil. The championship, I mean, I think that Massa will win the race.
its nothing to do with justice mate.it was a silly mistake by the mclaren crew sitting bourne-idle while Lewis work hard on the track.. !

well... regards to the WDC.. its still possible , but the chances are getting a bit low in terms of if for some reason Lewis wont have any more races left to say I will be back , if he wobble again in Brazil ;-)

anyhow Kimi proving to be driving really well today, I am very happy for him.
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:43 PM   #8
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Why did he battle with Kimi when due to pit, why didn't they bring Hamilton in one or two laps earlier and why a gravel trap in the pit lane?

At least it's been quite an entertaining race, and Kimi's looking good for the win.
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:46 PM   #9
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Like with Raikkonen and his flat spot a couple of years ago, it wouldn't have been an issue if Hamilton had managed to take as good care of his tyres as Alonso and Raikkonen did. It may have been possible, then as now, for McLaren to have brought him in to chance, but doing so might have meant he needed another stop later in the race. Race strategy always involves risk. That risk will have paid off for him earlier in the season, it has just caught him out this time.

Or, if Lewis hadn't overcooked it going into the pit lane corner, knowing his tyres were in bad shape, he would have stayed on the track and been able to continue. A mistake came just at the wrong time for him unfortunately.
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:49 PM   #10
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Hamiltons driving style does tend to have an adverse effect on his rears, as could be seen here.

Ahh well, next race should be exciting, last race of the season and the championship decider.
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:55 PM   #11
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Like with Raikkonen and his flat spot a couple of years ago, it wouldn't have been an issue if Hamilton had managed to take as good care of his tyres as Alonso and Raikkonen did. It may have been possible, then as now, for McLaren to have brought him in to chance, but doing so might have meant he needed another stop later in the race. Race strategy always involves risk. That risk will have paid off for him earlier in the season, it has just caught him out this time.

Or, if Lewis hadn't overcooked it going into the pit lane corner, knowing his tyres were in bad shape, he would have stayed on the track and been able to continue. A mistake came just at the wrong time for him unfortunately.
I agree with your post,
yes he should have been a bit steady coming in to the pits ...
and became a laughing stock for anti-hamilton fans of he needed a push off the gravel ;-)

anyway Lewis looking not so worried as we see others in the past who walk in to thier motor homes angrily.
its a good sign he seems cool.

bring it on in Brazil.
but there arent 'next race' chances for Lewis.. he has to get it done!!!
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:56 PM   #12
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You guys are making a big deal out of something that is not. He just overshoot the corner at pit entry and had the bad luck that there was a gravel trap there. Had he taken that corner a couple km/h slower, he would be the WDC now. Just a small mistake with big consequences, but no big deal, no conspiracy, no fate.
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:58 PM   #13
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was a monumental balls up, after Kimi passed they just need to play safe and make sure they got the big points, they could have easiy taken 2nd or 3rd, but hung on with tyres that lost 6-7secs a lap to Alonso.

fair enough it was a tricky call for which tyres to put on, but they had to do something, no change was much worse than the wrong tyres, if they'd had to make 2 stops they stil would have come 4th and as good as won the title, big team error, from a team that have the experience and should know much better, this was not the time to be gambling, not after getting in such a good position on track.

i cam see Lewis losing the title now, and they will have to say they blew their best chance today. if he does lose, i only hope its Kimi and not Alonso who is there to pick up the pieces
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:58 PM   #14
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Exactly.
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Old 10-07-2007, 04:59 PM   #15
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A combination of shot tyres and coming into the pitlane, unsighted, carring a tad too much speed. Honestly I almost hope it was a conspiracy, it might silence those who believe McLaren favour him over Alonso!

It's still remarkable that his first DNF took 16 races to happen, and that even now he's still in contention for a championship.
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Old 10-07-2007, 05:03 PM   #16
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You guys are making a big deal out of something that is not. He just overshoot the corner at pit entry and had the bad luck that there was a gravel trap there. Had he taken that corner a couple km/h slower, he would be the WDC now. Just a small mistake with big consequences, but no big deal, no conspiracy, no fate.
true, but stopping 2-5 laps earlier and it wouldn't have been an issue, he clearly had no grip, losiong so much time, you could see the canvas through the rear tyres, it was the time to play safe.

ulitmately if he'd crawled into the pits he'd have been fine, so repsonsibility lies with him for making the mistake, but it shouldn't have been a mistake that was possible to make, it would have been fine had they come in earlier. dry tyres on and fueled to the finish
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Old 10-07-2007, 05:05 PM   #17
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It was obvious for about 4 laps that he needed to pit. These guys are the best in the world?!
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Old 10-07-2007, 05:06 PM   #18
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Hamilton was just careless at the pit entry
A rookie mistake
Kimi smoked him
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Old 10-07-2007, 05:07 PM   #19
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You guys are making a big deal out of something that is not. He just overshoot the corner at pit entry and had the bad luck that there was a gravel trap there. Had he taken that corner a couple km/h slower, he would be the WDC now. Just a small mistake with big consequences, but no big deal, no conspiracy, no fate.
agreed

but his tyres were in reall bad shape and the team knew it. It would not have made a difference if he came in 1 or 2 laps earlier. That being said he should have taken the corner with extreme caution. If he did that he would have been WDC today.

But at least he is still leading. If he can manage a solid race in brazil he should walk away with the title.

Kimmi has to win the race for any possibility of winnig
Alonso has to finish no lower than second for any possibility of winning.

So Hamilton has some wiggle room

If massa would have done better laps and stayed close to Alonso, then LH and Kimmi might have been in a better situation, but as usual Massa shows why he's a #2. Those fast laps at the end are meaningless.

great job Vettel and Liuzzi

It's a tough, tough pill to swallow right now and at 4am here, I'm pretty bummed.
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Old 10-07-2007, 05:09 PM   #20
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Martin Whitmarsh has just told ITV that it was a team error and, with hindsight, they'd have brought Hamilton in a lap earlier.

However, I still think Lewis was a tad optomistic with his pitlane entry speed.

Hey, if the marshals had pushed him out of the gravel you guys would have created uproar!
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