[valiumnopresc]

It's funny that they are cracking down on Haitian Child beggars on the streets, so in other words instead of taking them off the streets and into the classroom they are doing vice verse (from the classroom and back onto the streets). It is going to create chaos

[teentodiefows]

But the "less fortunate Dominican" won't do the job the Haitian would.

No matter how pretty Suarenz packages this, if the DR accepts these illegals, the state then becomes complicit in the activity of harboring Illegals.

I wholeheartedly agree with Taino, once these illegals are given free range, soon after their family members in Haity will come across looking for the proverbial greener pasture.


It is widely known that we currently have well over 2 million illegals in the country, just think if each and every one of these illegals has but one family member in Haiti and should those people upon request from their family member already here decide to come over, in no time we will have 4 million illegals.


I hear a lot about pleasing the international community and something or other about human rights, I say when will these international community play their part in making the Haitian government play their part in providing for their nationals? How about this, are Haitian human rights above Dominican human rights?


Honestly, I really don't understand why people actually believe that once these illegals are given same rights as Dominicans, they will then become productive members of society. Fact is life is unfair, if it was, we'd all be sitting around a bonfire singing cum baya, if these illegals are given free range, they will be employed in the same low paying jobs they currently work now. Meaning they will be taking jobs away from the less fortunate Dominican.

[ycMC0PLg]

But the "less fortunate Dominican" won't do the job the Haitian would.

Not as long as the local businessmen keep paying peanuts for the job, no. Working in the conditions the Haitians do is tartamount to selling oneself into slavery, specially if we consider the fact that many of them actually live in the construction projects for the duration of them.

[Allorneadesee]

Has the Dominican Govt ever tried to get some of post earthquake billions from the Haiti Fund? If PLD Smart Minds put an offer out there maybe they can. If they have not tried they are a$$holes.

Earthquake leads to many Haitians coming to the DR (i bet many of the prisoner escapees too). DR tells those controlling the money to release funds to build, schools, housing and hospitals dedicated to Haitians OR the DR WILL deport all illegal Hatians immediately. If these monies are denied the DR should ask for funds for the mass deportation.
Maybe none of those monies trickled to the DR beacuse of the contract scam the DR Senators (Felix) got caught red handed in, concerning the Haiti contract. Maybe the DR (PLD) is looked down on as not to be trusted!
Haiti’s President, Michel Joseph Martelly, Involved in Corruption Scandal « theblessedproject

When will Felix see the charges he deserves.


If Haiti had been on a border with Bermuda, you could bet international monies would have been used to find the Hatians and return them.

[SAUNDERSAN]

Yes, but you can't have it both ways. You can't support not educating illegals in the DR, and then demand to have Dominican illegals elsewhere be educated on someone elses dime.

I read you live in TX so you probably don't come across many Dominicans in the US... So, I will let you in on a little secret. very very very small percentage of Dominicans are illegal in the US and an even smaller percentage of children are. I know of only 1 child out of the probably thousands of people I know that are here illegally because they overstayed their visa... If and when his mom decides to get her papers she can ask for his green card too.

Counties in TX are already discouraging students who are illegal or their parents are illegals from enrolling and this is after they've already tried see the 1982 supreme court case Plyer v. DOE.

I don't agree with a law that prohibits education. But I am interested to know what is the plan what is its purpose.

Then again part of the argument some people make is.... "oh why educate these kids and let them go to school only to prevent them from going to the University" So, TOMA! se quedan sin NA'

[Kennypor]

I read you live in TX so you probably don't come across many Dominicans in the US... So, I will let you in on a little secret. very very very small percentage of Dominicans are illegal in the US and an even smaller percentage of children are. I know of only 1 child out of the probably thousands of people I know that are here illegally because they overstayed their visa... If and when his mom decides to get her papers she can ask for his green card too.

Bringing up Dominicans in the US is off topic for this thread, but if what you say is true, then why is it so difficult for a Dominican to get a visitor's visa to the US if practically none of them are there illegally? I have been told by US officials that it is because there are a great many Dominicans who have overstayed their visas and remain illegally in the US that visitor visas for Dominicans are so hard to get which contradicts your statement.

As for preventing illegals from entering the education system, that should be up to the local jurisdiction in any given country to allow or not allow it.

[deethythitoth]

I read you live in TX so you probably don't come across many Dominicans in the US... So, I will let you in on a little secret. very very very small percentage of Dominicans are illegal in the US and an even smaller percentage of children are. I know of only 1 child out of the probably thousands of people I know that are here illegally because they overstayed their visa... If and when his mom decides to get her papers she can ask for his green card too.

Counties in TX are already discouraging students who are illegal or their parents are illegals from enrolling and this is after they've already tried see the 1982 supreme court case Plyer v. DOE.

I don't agree with a law that prohibits education. But I am interested to know what is the plan what is its purpose.

Then again part of the argument some people make is.... "oh why educate these kids and let them go to school only to prevent them from going to the University" So, TOMA! se quedan sin NA'

Well, personally, I do know Dominicans who have come illegally. I know of Americans who have helped them. I cointinue to be amazed at the creativity in an era of tightened controls. You must be from Picahardo's DR if you honestly don't know anyone who came in a yola or used creative paper work to get here.

My observations aren't based on where I currently live. But I agree with you. There are more Mexicans here with legal visas than illegals, but the perception is much different. We'd have to look beyond our personal experience at the statistics. Why is it so hard for an "average" Dominican to get a visa? It has much to do with historic fraud and misuse by fellow Dominicans.

My point simply was that some Dominicans are adamant about sending Haitians back, but don 't share that same fervor for fellow Dominicans who have left the island for the same reason Haitians come--a better life. And even the deportations of criminal Dominicans back to the DR has had an impact. Removing illegal Dominicans from Puerto Rico alone would be noticeable on both sides. So, regardless of the percentage there are areas where they are concentrated.

But if you took my statement to mean that I think most Dominicans in the US are illegal, I don't.

[Gilowero]

A lot of the world's problems would become much smaller if people were held to be personally responsible for their choices and if countries would be responsible for their own citizens. If this means having a hard look at population control for the country then so be it.....

Rhetoric.... and it makes sense on paper.

but go take a look at Haiti and the DR and then talk about responsibility.

Have you ever been responsible for feeding your kids but not been able to?
What actions would you consider?... theft, illegal immigration... what would you do? Watch them starve?

The people who seem to rant about responsibility the most are usually those that are not desperate.

[BrainTop]

No matter how pretty Suarenz packages this, if the DR accepts these illegals, the state then becomes complicit in the activity of harboring Illegals.

I wholeheartedly agree with Taino, once these illegals are given free range, soon after their family members in Haity will come across looking for the proverbial greener pasture.


It is widely known that we currently have well over 2 million illegals in the country, just think if each and every one of these illegals has but one family member in Haiti and should those people upon request from their family member already here decide to come over, in no time we will have 4 million illegals.


I hear a lot about pleasing the international community and something or other about human rights, I say when will these international community play their part in making the Haitian government play their part in providing for their nationals? How about this, are Haitian human rights above Dominican human rights?


Honestly, I really don't understand why people actually believe that once these illegals are given same rights as Dominicans, they will then become productive members of society. Fact is life is unfair, if it was, we'd all be sitting around a bonfire singing cum baya, if these illegals are given free range, they will be employed in the same low paying jobs they currently work now. Meaning they will be taking jobs away from the less fortunate Dominican.

[FateHostera]

Good move. USA could use this.

[jackie Obrian]

This is what Taino and I were discussing the other day...so here it is. So...these kids are here whether we like it or not. They're not going anywhere. So we choose to leave them out of school (an infringement on one of the universal human rights - Education - BTW) and 15 years from now we will have thousands of illiterate Haitians still living in The DR and reproducing like rabbits BTW, since the least education the most kids they're prone to have and taxing our health care and other services even more while contributing hardly anything (other than manual labor) to the economy...and of course crime will rise even more since they'll have nothing else to do to make a living. Those of you who are against educating these kids (and I know there are some here) please explain to me how this scenario is the right thing for The DR...

So instead we do the right thing and let them attend school (and actually enforce the law that says that kids are supposed to be in school). What little resources the government provides for education are stretched even more (but does it really matter that much that instead of 50 students per teacher we have 60 or 75? Under those conditions nobody is really receiving a quality education anyway). Let's say at least 80% of those kids make it far enough to learn to read and write SPANISH and learn about OUR history, culture, etc...maybe even a small percentage of them actually graduates and a few may even get a professional degree. How did we lose again? Someone please enlighten me.

I agree educate them, but still register them as non Dominicans and ask the UN to pay for the education.

[Drugsonl]

In my opinion that's an aberration and an embarrassment to the international community by the DR.

[Haibundadam]

I do agree that if you are going to allow the illegal families to stay in the country it is extremely short sighted to deny them basic education and medical care.

It looks like they are not going to allow anybody to stay in the country illegally any more. There seems to be a special foreigners regularization plan. This is copied from this website NEW IMMIGRATION REGULATIONS FOR DOMINICAN REPUBLIC -

Foreigner’s Regularization Plan

The new regulation states that the Ministry of Interior Police of the Dominican Republic will begin the Foreigner’s Regularization Plan. When this action plan begins, all undocumented foreigners as well as all the foreigners that over stays their stay permit will be deported back to their countries. This persecution plan will not last longer than 36 months. At the present moment Interior Police is training the Immigration Police force, the regulation is not clear when the first Regularization Plan will begin, it just explains once it begins it can not last more than 36 months, after which it will begin again the next year.

Amnesty

The regulation establishes that every foreigner that can prove 10 years of permanence in Dominican Republic can apply for Permanent Residence, and every foreigner that can prove more than five but less than ten years can apply for Temporary Residency Permit, the rest will be deported. The amnesty only applies for time periods before 2010.

[deethythitoth]

The article is not clear if they are talking about all schooling or high school/post secondary only.

There in lies the debate?

Also wondering how many legal immigrant "gringos" are doing the following:

It was noted that the requirement for the normalization of the immigration status of the foreign student is established in Article 81, paragraph g.

Among the requirements stipulated in this article are: possession of a student visa issued by the Dominican consulate in his/her country of origin; a passport with at least 18 months of validity; proof of acceptance in the school to which he/she has been admitted; medical insurance and proof of economic solvency for covering study and living expenses.

The regulations stipulate that the maximum stay in the country under this condition is one year, with can be extended according to the plan of studies.

[deethythitoth]

If I recall correctly, this was Danilos main platform, if he reneges on this he loses total credibility. Fact is, a large portion of Dominican voters chose him because of this.

And I'm with you on this. He promised it, many want it, it would be great if he follows through.

[qilmuz6v]

I have rather mixed feelings about this - obviously targeting Haitian children.

I understand where you are coming from, but in fairness I think it has to be said that only those Haitian children who are in the DR illegally are being targeted. Not because they are Haitian, but because they are illegals.

I expect to see more of this in the US in the future, also. Not against Haitians, but against illegals.

[espabamar]

This is what Taino and I were discussing the other day...so here it is. So...these kids are here whether we like it or not. They're not going anywhere. So we choose to leave them out of school (an infringement on one of the universal human rights - Education - BTW) and 15 years from now we will have thousands of illiterate Haitians still living in The DR and reproducing like rabbits BTW, since the least education the most kids they're prone to have and taxing our health care and other services even more while contributing hardly anything (other than manual labor) to the economy...and of course crime will rise even more since they'll have nothing else to do to make a living. Those of you who are against educating these kids (and I know there are some here) please explain to me how this scenario is the right thing for The DR...

So instead we do the right thing and let them attend school (and actually enforce the law that says that kids are supposed to be in school). What little resources the government provides for education are stretched even more (but does it really matter that much that instead of 50 students per teacher we have 60 or 75? Under those conditions nobody is really receiving a quality education anyway). Let's say at least 80% of those kids make it far enough to learn to read and write SPANISH and learn about OUR history, culture, etc...maybe even a small percentage of them actually graduates and a few may even get a professional degree. How did we lose again? Someone please enlighten me.

[jackie Obrian]

Petitioning the Canadian government is a better idea Bob

???????????????????? I don't understand you comment. Enlighten me.

[jackie Obrian]

The DR will never allow an outside agency to provide these kids with an education. They will fear these kids will receive a better education than the Dominican kids.

Educate them in the same schools just provide the money to the Dominican education system.

[ycMC0PLg]

And who shall the US ask for reimbursement for the undocumented students they educate? Mexico? the DR? The UN?

You are aware of the fact that by comparing the US with the DR you're basically comparing a mammoth with an ant now, are you?