[AnneseeKels]

Quantum Science has shown that electrons disappear and reappear from our existance, so where do they go?

No one knows yet, but lets have some fun! ~smiles~ It's speculation time!

[xgnuwdd]

Source please I would be very interested in reading about this. I love science.

[Snweyuag]

Hi All,

I think this is a good article for any of us who wish to get into this discussion:

http://homepages.nyu.edu/~sab275/gallatin/determinism%20vs%20probability.doc


Peace & Love!

PS Copy/Paste link to internet explorer address box

[oscilsoda]

Hi All,

I think this is a good article for any of us who wish to get into this discussion:

http://homepages.nyu.edu/~sab275/gallatin/determinism%20vs%20probability.doc


Peace & Love!

PS Copy/Paste link to internet explorer address box

Interesting read yet he failed to cite any data with his claims (very bad form for a university student :P)

I think your refering to the fact that a single photon can act like a wave and pass through two slits at the same time creating an interference pattern?

How the heck are we supposed to wrap our heads around something like that?

[Metrujectiktus]

Interesting read yet he failed to cite any data with his claims (very bad form for a university student :P)

I think your refering to the fact that a single photon can act like a wave and pass through two slits at the same time creating an interference pattern?

How the heck are we supposed to wrap our heads around something like that?

Yeah, I know. But even the professional pysicists are still having a hard time with the concept of an electron being two different things at the same time.

So is it a partical or is it a wave or is it both? My logical brain tells me that it really is a wave but when we detect it at any given point it appears to be a partical.

I think we might end up with the cave analogy in that the electron might be a four dimensional object and we are looking at it from a three dimensional perspective.

I will try to find another article that can put us at a starting point for the discussion.

Peace & Love!

[foodselfdourileka]

Hey Ken & OP,

Here is another article. Funny though, it is along the lines of what I mentioned above and no, I didn't cheat.

http://www.esotericscience.com/Matter.aspx

Peace & Love!

[DioraMoostebeers]

I have them.

It's true; they are attracted to me, I house them and feed them. I train them to do my will then set them free.





Bwahahahahahahahaha!

[DouseAuthott]

I have them.

It's true; they are attracted to me, I house them and feed them. I train them to do my will then set them free.





Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Hey! Hey!

Thanks for keeping this thread alive. I am still waiting for someone to talk with me about the 4th dimension so we can discuss where those little pests disappear to and from whence they reappear.

Peace & Love!

[Sx1qBli0]

Anyone else wonder if they are just going on their holidays/Vacation. They may even have been sent to prison after being charged. Its a hard life being an electron.

That aside. It is an interesting subject. The more we learn about existence the more questions it throws fourth.

[Relsenlilky]

Anyone else wonder if they are just going on their holidays/Vacation. They may even have been sent to prison after being charged. Its a hard life being an electron.

Yes, that is what I am trying to do. Identify their whereabouts when they appear to be absent. I like that about being charged and sent to prison. Hehehe.

That aside. It is an interesting subject. The more we learn about existence the more questions it throws fourth.

I suppose that is the norm in life. The more we learn the more questions our new knowledge puts forth. I suppose we will never know all the answers but it sure is fun (for me, at least) to try to understand the new questions.

So it is my understanding that for every electron there is supposed to be a balancing proton. If this is so, what happens to the protons when the electron goes on vacation or to prison?

I think that I am loosing my mind. Perhaps it is drifting off into the fourth dimension.

Peace & Love!

[zttrftwsq]

I often wonder about particle wave duality.
As Jim said, they could be waves, unless we 'look' at them, then we see them as a particle. Considering that, what if we look, and the particles isn't there.

Yeah, I know I'm saying: When electrons disappear and reappear, they aren't going away from our existence, we just aren't looking for the particle in the right place.

And what about super-position anyway? If all particles actually are in all places at once, when we look in that 'one place' what do we see? Something different every time? Possibly.

Jim mentioned 4th dimensional space. We aren't equipped with the proper sensory equipment to 'observe' that, which is the simplest explanation for a lot of these 'spooky' happenings. The sub atomic world is another 'dimension' for which humans are not properly equipped to interact with yet. Our technology has goven us incredible power in this area, but compared to all of the known unknowns, and the utter massiveness of unknown unknowns, our power is nil.

I really don't think the strangeness of the quantum world is really all that strange. We're just stupid still....

[htDgExh8]

Ah! Another response! How wonderful!

Yeah, "Dualities". That is exactly the concept in play when we discuss particle/wave attributes. Too bad we can't think within the concept of "Singularity". Or even both at the same time. Then we would have everything being the same thing only different depending on how we look at it.

Yes, it really is amazing how much we know while at the same time acknowledging how ignorant we are.

The concept of parrallel universes depends on the concept of a fourth dimension. Actually, all spirituality depends on the concept of a fourth dimension. The concept is nothing new - it is the understanding of it (if it exists, and I believe it does) that is almost totally lacking.

When electrons disappear and reappear, they aren't going away from our existence, we just aren't looking for the particle in the right place.

Yes, that is the premise of that second article. Basically, the alteration of time/space.

(BTW I am going somewhere with this but I am allowing the discussion to travel down its natural path.)

Peace & Love!

[Evsltkzl]

Yes, that is what I am trying to do. Identify their whereabouts when they appear to be absent. I like that about being charged and sent to prison. Hehehe.



I suppose that is the norm in life. The more we learn the more questions our new knowledge puts forth. I suppose we will never know all the answers but it sure is fun (for me, at least) to try to understand the new questions.

So it is my understanding that for every electron there is supposed to be a balancing proton. If this is so, what happens to the protons when the electron goes on vacation or to prison?

I think that I am loosing my mind. Perhaps it is drifting off into the fourth dimension.

Peace & Love!

~chuckles at JimBob~ Aye, I hear that!

Sometimes it seems to me that as humanity grows something out there keeps adding building blocks so that we will never run out of room to wonder and think! ~smiles~

I believe that if we can find out where they go we can start to unlock the potential for interdemensional travel. This could also open the vast universal fabric to time and space. We could conceptually move through the strings/threads of our parrellel deminsions to go to places in innerspace that technically do not exist in our perception right now! ~smiles~.

This isn't too far fetch when you look into history and see Galileo getting imprisoned for making bold statements like the Earth revolves around the Sun, or people believing the world was truly flat!

It's already been show that objects appear in various places, but because the human mind and body is so finite it has to place the object into a single place/spot so that our minds can conceptualize and make it physical.

These things leave a lot open as to the creation of our universe and even Quantum Scientists will tell they honestly don't know anymore whether there is an intelligent observer or mover running the world. Quantum Physics has brought back a form of spirituality to science that it has been lacking since the ancient times of supersition and false perceptions!

If we live through the next 10 years some of these things we talk about now will be revelations of great proportions to the future of humanity...I think it will end the energy crisis as well ~smiles~. I mean there has to be a cleaner and better form of energy and I think Quantum studies will provide that through the understanding of this electron equation ~smiles~

[BWJfEkOB]

I often wonder about particle wave duality.
As Jim said, they could be waves, unless we 'look' at them, then we see them as a particle. Considering that, what if we look, and the particles isn't there.

Yeah, I know I'm saying: When electrons disappear and reappear, they aren't going away from our existence, we just aren't looking for the particle in the right place.

And what about super-position anyway? If all particles actually are in all places at once, when we look in that 'one place' what do we see? Something different every time? Possibly.

Jim mentioned 4th dimensional space. We aren't equipped with the proper sensory equipment to 'observe' that, which is the simplest explanation for a lot of these 'spooky' happenings. The sub atomic world is another 'dimension' for which humans are not properly equipped to interact with yet. Our technology has goven us incredible power in this area, but compared to all of the known unknowns, and the utter massiveness of unknown unknowns, our power is nil.

I really don't think the strangeness of the quantum world is really all that strange. We're just stupid still....

I agree we aren't mature enough techonlogically to see more than the 3 demensions that we do presently, however at one time we would not sail the oceans because the world was flat, at one time people died because we didn't know of penicillin, at one time we rode horses across the country, so I would say that as we mature we will eventually see the 4th demension when we are ready for it ~smiles~

I would agree that we are ignorrant too! ~smiles~ However we seem to learn exponentially if you look backwards ~smiles~ Technology levels keep moving up faster and faster as our species perpetuates this plane ~smiles~.

It was said that when Columbus landed on the isles the islanders could not see them because they had no perception of Europes technology. It was said that the village Shaman stood on the shore for 3 days until he could finally see the giant ships on the horizon, but by then it was too late as we all know ~sighs~.

[Phassetus]

Hi All,

I'll be back. I found a website that discusses the fourth dimension (where my electrons have gone when I can't see them) before I say anything else.

It is here: http://tetraspace.alkaline.org/

if anyone wishes to look at it.

Peace & Love!

[Intockatt]

Yeah, "Dualities". That is exactly the concept in play when we discuss particle/wave attributes. Too bad we can't think within the concept of "Singularity". Or even both at the same time. Then we would have everything being the same thing only different depending on how we look at it.

(BTW I am going somewhere with this but I am allowing the discussion to travel down its natural path.)

Actually, the idea of Universal Superposition is an idea about 'singularity', as is String Theory, in a sense. And what about Duality vs. Singularity vs. Infinity vs......
It just depends on your focus. Personally, I think we have to think in all, both, and neither all at the same time in order to 'fully understand' something. Kind of like seeing an apple from all different angles, including temporally, from the inside, as an apple etc.. etc...

However we seem to learn exponentially if you look backwards ~smiles~ Technology levels keep moving up faster and faster as our species perpetuates this plane ~smiles~.

It was said that when Columbus landed on the isles the islanders could not see them because they had no perception of Europe's technology. It was said that the village Shaman stood on the shore for 3 days until he could finally see the giant ships on the horizon, but by then it was too late as we all know ~sighs~.

I'd agree that we have learned a lot. I'm not trying to put our knowledge and ability down in any way. I do try to keep it in perspective though. Probably because I tend to be more interested in what I don't know than what I already do....lol

I've often wondered about that Columbus story. While I don't doubt it at all personally, it also points out more of what we don't know, than it teaches us. I causes me to ask lots and lots of questions. So far I haven't been able to answer most of them.
A few are:
How did the shaman decide he had to figure out something he had no idea he didn't know?
Why did the shaman decide he had to figure out something he had no idea he didn't know?
Didn't the shaman somehow have the perception of European ships, as he noticed them himself before he was told about them, even if it did take him 3 days?
If not, how could he develop the ability to see something he couldn't see, especially in only 3 days?
For that matter, how do we know he knew they were ships?
How can we really test the ideas presented here?

I even have questions I don't really know how to ask about this story....lol

[Speareerfug]

Actually, the idea of Universal Superposition is an idea about 'singularity', as is String Theory, in a sense. And what about Duality vs. Singularity vs. Infinity vs......
It just depends on your focus. Personally, I think we have to think in all, both, and neither all at the same time in order to 'fully understand' something. Kind of like seeing an apple from all different angles, including temporally, from the inside, as an apple etc.. etc...

Interesting train of thought. But then you are getting ahead of me. Hehehe.

Peace & Love!

[smifatv]

Actually, the idea of Universal Superposition is an idea about 'singularity', as is String Theory, in a sense. And what about Duality vs. Singularity vs. Infinity vs......
It just depends on your focus. Personally, I think we have to think in all, both, and neither all at the same time in order to 'fully understand' something. Kind of like seeing an apple from all different angles, including temporally, from the inside, as an apple etc.. etc...


I'd agree that we have learned a lot. I'm not trying to put our knowledge and ability down in any way. I do try to keep it in perspective though. Probably because I tend to be more interested in what I don't know than what I already do....lol

I've often wondered about that Columbus story. While I don't doubt it at all personally, it also points out more of what we don't know, than it teaches us. I causes me to ask lots and lots of questions. So far I haven't been able to answer most of them.
A few are:
How did the shaman decide he had to figure out something he had no idea he didn't know?
Why did the shaman decide he had to figure out something he had no idea he didn't know?
Didn't the shaman somehow have the perception of European ships, as he noticed them himself before he was told about them, even if it did take him 3 days?
If not, how could he develop the ability to see something he couldn't see, especially in only 3 days?
For that matter, how do we know he knew they were ships?
How can we really test the ideas presented here?

I even have questions I don't really know how to ask about this story....lol

Aye, there would be several questions to ask, however it was a story and an analogy...it wasn't meant to be dissected, but I do understand what you convey ~smiles~ about inaccuracies and lack of thoughtful implications or views.

[Ingeborga]

Hi All,

I'll be back. I found a website that discusses the fourth dimension (where my electrons have gone when I can't see them) before I say anything else.

It is here: http://tetraspace.alkaline.org/

if anyone wishes to look at it.

Peace & Love!

I liked the simple way it was explained using poeple ~chuckles~.

The problem is everything is still very hypothetical and theoretical...I do believe that we live inside the 4th demension already but are incapable of seeing for the sake of sanity, and when I say sanity I mean being able to hold one's self together once possessing such knowledge from another plane or dimension ~smiles~.

I believe in my hypothetical situation that we are the 4th dimension and like just about every celestrial body out there is round, I too believe the end to our universe is round.

It's like Shoe was saying..we need the ability to view or be in the macro and micro cosms at the same time, which right now is a far and distand dream, but it has been my experience when humans transcend some boundary they do it at supersonic speeds ~chuckles~, so when the first people start seeing and understanding the 4th dimension it will revolutionize human evolution as we know it ~smiles~. But that is yet to be seen!

[Evelinessa]

Gee OP,

You got ahead of me too. I have been working outside today and still haven't read it.

But I will and then I will talk some more.

Peace & Love!