[Indian Butt Magic]

Nothing has been dubunked. The people doing this "debunking" are basing what they say A LOT more on theory and weak information than their counter parts.

But since you are an expert I would like you to dubunk or state you opinion on a few things for me:

1) Why Did the 9/11 Commision's report not show the correct design of the WTC buildings when then were doing their dubunking? They completely left out the MANY Internal Support beams that ran through the center of the building that were a key component in the buildings safety design.

2) Why did the 9/11 Commision's report not indicate what happened to building 7?

3) Why was the building going through such extreme "renovations" weeks leading up to 9/11?

4) Why were the dogs that sniff for bombs pulled from the building weeks before the attack?

5) What are your thoughts about the Manifesto that was created by the gov't that listed foreign policies they wished to achieve but stated in 2000, that these aspirations would most likely not be realized withouth a "catastrophic and catalyzing event....like a new Pearl Harbor"

6)What is your thought on the Massive amount of Put Options placed on United and American Airline STOCK prior to the attack (The exact airlines involved with 9/11). A put option is projection that the stock will drastically decline in the short term.

7) What is your Opinion on Larry Silverstein (owner of WTC) taking out a huge insurance policy on his building's that included acts of terrorism shortly before 9/11?

8) What is your thoughts on Bin Laden being a CIA asset and agent who has worked with the U.S for years?

9) Why was the Bin Laden family flown out of the country on a private Jet right after 9/11 when planes were not allowed to be in the air?

10) what is your thought on the declasified gov't Document. "Operation Northwood" where they had detailed plans to carry out fake terrorism on U.S soil and then blame in on foreign enemies? these plans included hijacking jets, etc. How do you feel about the US gov't even writing these documents up? whether they were carried out or not.

11) WHat is your thoughts on MANY public officials being warned not to fly on September 11th? Mayor Willie Brown from San Fran, Jon Ashcroft, author S. Raushdee, and others were told not to fly to New York. The Joint Cheif of Staff had a metting in New York on Sept 11th but were told to cancell their flight? how do you explain that?

12) Whey did Norad (North American Aerospace Defense) stand down and not intercept the hijacked planes?



I have a ton of questions and issues for you to debunk or clarrify for me but I'd like you to answer these for now.

[moopierof]

your pictures are nothing new bro. The wreckage is inconsistant with the plane that supposedly hit it and quit frankly there is not a lot of it. alot of tin scraps and fragments. No one is denying "something" hit the building. I didn't see any pictures of bodies either that you claim are in the photos.

The Pentagon is a very protected building. Do you really think they didn't have cameras every where from multiple angles? The only one they released was this, a year after the fact, and it sure doesn't look like a commerical air liner to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imQqMuYEo38

The one link you posted was an investigation by FEMA. haha
Give me a break.

[mikapoq]

your pictures are nothing new bro. The wreckage is inconsistant with the plane that supposedly hit it and quit frankly there is not a lot of it. alot of tin scraps and fragments. No one is denying "something" hit the building. I didn't see any pictures of bodies either that you claim are in the photos.

The Pentagon is a very protected building. Do you really think they didn't have cameras every where from multiple angles? The only one they released was this, a year after the fact, and it sure doesn't look like a commerical air liner to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imQqMuYEo38

The one link you posted was an investigation by FEMA. haha
Give me a break.

Originally Posted by Conan21

You call that proof? lol

[kimaddison]

Nothing has been dubunked. The people doing this "debunking" are basing what they say A LOT more on theory and weak information than their counter parts.

But since you are an expert I would like you to dubunk or state you opinion on a few things for me:

1) Why Did the 9/11 Commision's report not show the correct design of the WTC buildings when then were doing their dubunking? They completely left out the MANY Internal Support beams that ran through the center of the building that were a key component in the buildings safety design.

2) Why did the 9/11 Commision's report not indicate what happened to building 7?

3) Why was the building going through such extreme "renovations" weeks leading up to 9/11?

4) Why were the dogs that sniff for bombs pulled from the building weeks before the attack?

5) What are your thoughts about the Manifesto that was created by the gov't that listed foreign policies they wished to achieve but stated in 2000, that these aspirations would most likely not be realized withouth a "catastrophic and catalyzing event....like a new Pearl Harbor"

6)What is your thought on the Massive amount of Put Options placed on United and American Airline STOCK prior to the attack (The exact airlines involved with 9/11). A put option is projection that the stock will drastically decline in the short term.

7) What is your Opinion on Larry Silverstein (owner of WTC) taking out a huge insurance policy on his building's that included acts of terrorism shortly before 9/11?

8) What is your thoughts on Bin Laden being a CIA asset and agent who has worked with the U.S for years?

9) Why was the Bin Laden family flown out of the country on a private Jet right after 9/11 when planes were not allowed to be in the air?

10) what is your thought on the declasified gov't Document. "Operation Northwood" where they had detailed plans to carry out fake terrorism on U.S soil and then blame in on foreign enemies? these plans included hijacking jets, etc. How do you feel about the US gov't even writing these documents up? whether they were carried out or not.

11) WHat is your thoughts on MANY public officials being warned not to fly on September 11th? Mayor Willie Brown from San Fran, Jon Ashcroft, author S. Raushdee, and others were told not to fly to New York. The Joint Cheif of Staff had a metting in New York on Sept 11th but were told to cancell their flight? how do you explain that?

12) Whey did Norad (North American Aerospace Defense) stand down and not intercept the hijacked planes?



I have a ton of questions and issues for you to debunk or clarrify for me but I'd like you to answer these for now.

Originally Posted by Conan21

When did I say I was an expert? Nothing has been debunked because they are basing their theories on weak information? Yet you will believe videos full off mis information and downright lies. I am heading out of town right now but I will be back monday, I will see you then.

[Barryrich]

Nothing has been dubunked. The people doing this "debunking" are basing what they say A LOT more on theory and weak information than their counter parts.

But since you are an expert I would like you to dubunk or state you opinion on a few things for me:

1) Why Did the 9/11 Commision's report not show the correct design of the WTC buildings when then were doing their dubunking? They completely left out the MANY Internal Support beams that ran through the center of the building that were a key component in the buildings safety design.

2) Why did the 9/11 Commision's report not indicate what happened to building 7?

3) Why was the building going through such extreme "renovations" weeks leading up to 9/11?

4) Why were the dogs that sniff for bombs pulled from the building weeks before the attack?

Originally Posted by Conan21

1.) The 9/11 commission report was not intended to debunk any of the 9/11 conspiracy theories. The intent of the report was to provide the fullest possible account of the events the transpired on 9/11 and was compiled by a team of five democrats and five republicans. Are you telling me that these individuals were also in on the conspiracy?

2.) Again the 9/11 commission report was not designed to eliminate conspiracy theories. Have you even read it?

3.) Prove this was happening and use a reputable source. Alex Jones is not a reputable source. lol

4.) Not sure that they were pulled away but I do know that if you want to blow up the world trade center with a controlled demolition you dont need to hit it with aircraft. By the way where are these people who set these devices? Lets add them to the number of people involved in this grand conspiracy.

[beth]

1)Yes, The 9/11 commision report was just a normal investigation into what happened to the buildings. But I'm sure it was also done in light of all the conspiracy talk going around. Never the less They completely lied about the the design of the building so that their pan cake theory looked more plausable. How can they state a theory, withouth accurately portraying the proper design of the building?

2) If your doing an investigation into the collapse of WTC buildings, why leave out WTC 7? That was the most suspicious of them all.

side note1: I do not have the numbers in front of me but they spend very very little money on their 9/11 investigation and spent about 10x as much on Clintons Sex Scandal.

Side note 2: When a building collapses like this, Its is federal Law that a team of experts go in and examine the debris to determine what went wrong so that things like this can be avoided in future designs. They Gov't did not do this. They Broke the law. Instead, they immediately started cleaning up the debris and then shipped it over to China to be burried. They were in such a rush that they sent people in to help with the clean up when the air was unfit to breath and now many of them are dead or dying from lung disease.

3) Prove the renovations were happening? There are are many WTC employees who worked in the buildings that have stated on camera this was going on for weeks and even during the night. What exactly would you consider proof??

4) You didn't answer the question about the dogs bro, If you want to dubunk rumors, you better have answers. I find it very strange that renovations were taking place in the building and during that time the dogs were removed. Were the dogs sick? were the pregnant? were they not house broken and were peeing too much in the building?

As far as my video clip I posted. WHere did you read that I said "HERE IS MY PROOF" . I simply stated that the Petagon is a highly secured building with many survelance cameras yet the only one released is from the shittiest angle possilbe and it does not look like an air plane. Don't try to twist my words to argue your case.

Now please properly respond to statements 1-4 and then continue to the other ones and please point out any " lie " you are referring to as well. So far have have done a pretty pathetic job.

[CGH1KZzy]

1)Yes, The 9/11 commision report was just a normal investigation into what happened to the buildings. But I'm sure it was also done in light of all the conspiracy talk going around. Never the less They completely lied about the the design of the building so that their pan cake theory looked more plausable. How can they state a theory, withouth accurately portraying the proper design of the building?

2) If your doing an investigation into the collapse of WTC buildings, why leave out WTC 7? That was the most suspicious of them all.

side note1: I do not have the numbers in front of me but they spend very very little money on their 9/11 investigation and spent about 10x as much on Clintons Sex Scandal.

Side note 2: When a building collapses like this, Its is federal Law that a team of experts go in and examine the debris to determine what went wrong so that things like this can be avoided in future designs. They Gov't did not do this. They Broke the law. Instead, they immediately started cleaning up the debris and then shipped it over to China to be burried. They were in such a rush that they sent people in to help with the clean up when the air was unfit to breath and now many of them are dead or dying from lung disease.

3) Prove the renovations were happening? There are are many WTC employees who worked in the buildings that have stated on camera this was going on for weeks and even during the night. What exactly would you consider proof??

4) You didn't answer the question about the dogs bro, If you want to dubunk rumors, you better have answers. I find it very strange that renovations were taking place in the building and during that time the dogs were removed. Were the dogs sick? were the pregnant? were they not house broken and were peeing too much in the building?

As far as my video clip I posted. WHere did you read that I said "HERE IS MY PROOF" . I simply stated that the Petagon is a highly secured building with many survelance cameras yet the only one released is from the shittiest angle possilbe and it does not look like an air plane. Don't try to twist my words to argue your case.

Now please properly respond to statements 1-4 and then continue to the other ones and please point out any " lie " you are referring to as well. So far have have done a pretty pathetic job.

Originally Posted by Conan21

You seem to have limited information about the 9/11 commission report and what its purpose was. I suggest you read it for yourself. Please show me the page that has faulty wtc designs.

It took very little research to find that dogs were NOT pulled from the buildings prior to 9/11. They were not pulled so this is another bit of misinformation you conspiracy guys throw around.

There were bodies found at the pentagon. This is not disputed.

Please come up with some valid points and I will answer them. Your arguments are weak and shallow. While I cannot say what exactly happened on 9/11, I can say the towers were brought down from the resulting inferno that followed impact which weakened the steel structure and caused the buildings to collapse.
Take care and be well

[neniajany]

I’m aware of the purpose of the 9/11 commission report. I have read a lot of it via PDF format online. What I meant was that many people had questions about what happened on 9/11 and this commission report did nothing but white wash the events and does nothing to debunk any information in the 9/11 Truth movement. I think it should be called the the Ommission Report simply b/c it lacks so much information and uses false information. They do not include any information that goes against the story they wish to portray and flat out lie about things as well. The Commission report is basically the upper levels of Gov't investigating itself.

The building was comprised of 47 MASSIVE support columns that ran through the Internal Core of the building. The 9/11 commision report completely leaves these columns out of the report!!! They say that the core of each building was a hollow shapt for elevators and stair ways. Regardless if the Jet Fuel, which burned off immediately (as Big A was illustrating with people waving from impact site), caused steel to weaken and hence cause a pan cake collapse at free fall speed I may add (silly theory anyway but whatever). Even if this happened, these massive columns should have remained and the CR does not touch this!!!

Show me an article in which the dogs were not pulled. Multiple WTC security personal said this is true. Here is an article right from a regular news site where it says the dogs were pulled.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...,1255660.story

You asked for proof of renovations. Many WTC employees have spoken out about the noisy renovations going on for weeks before 9/11. Scott Forbes who was the Senior Database Administrator at WTC said that the weekend prior to 9/11, they were told to shut down all equipment. He said he found this very odd and that it never happened before and that nothing really needed renovated. During this time all security cameras were turned off and the workers worked vigorously all weekend. Scott contacted the 9/11 commission board about this after the attack b/c he felt it was suspicious but was ignored completely. William Rodriguez, Senior maintenance manger of the building also has spoken out about the mysterious workers and shut down of security cameras. A large amount of 9/11 wtc survivors have gone on record to statiing this.

I guess that information is a lie, weak, and shallow??

You said you posted photos of bodies of individuals from the plane crash at the Petagon. Attach those photos to this thread because I did not see them

[Candykiss]

1) Commision reports did not discuss the collapse of the 47 internal columns. Furthermore, they went as far as to say the internal core was basically "hallow".
Rhandhular claims that this is a lie and that the building did not contain 47 massive inner columns.

2) What caused WTC #7 to collapse in and upon itself at free fall speed and why was it not addressed AT ALL in the 9/11 CR?
Rhandhular has no answer for this question.

3) Mysterious building renovations prior to attack.
Rhandhular says this as a complete lie despite Testimony of many WTC employees and security personal.

4) Dogs were pulled from buildings prior to attack.
Rhandhular says this as a lie used by conspiracy theorists despite Testimony of WTC security personal and news reports

[!!Aaroncheg]

I have to laugh everytime I see one of these things rear its ugly head on the net. The first and most obvious thing that stands out is the blatant attempt to smear the current administration being that almost all of these conspiracys originate from the extreme left. Secondly, the simple fact that a conspiracy of this size and magnitude requires thousands of people and flawless timing without rehersal. Nevermind the fact that all the people involved weither by accident or not would have to be completely silent to keep a secret like this a secret. the same people who think we never landed on the moon, ect. ect.. are the same people who think Black helicopters are following them. the real conspirracy is beliving that if we ignore or simply leave Islamic facaist alone (modern day nazi) that they will abandon the quest to rule and convert the world to Islam, which is not a religon of peace OR FREEDOM!

[TolleyBoymn]

Rhandhular claims that this is a lie and that the building did not contain 47 massive inner columns.

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Originally Posted by Conan21

Where did I make this claim? lol

[fedelwet]

4) Why were the dogs that sniff for bombs pulled from the building weeks before the attack?

Originally Posted by Conan21

After fully researching this I found that bomb sniffing dogs were pulled from the towers on September 6th. What the CTers don't tell you is that the dogs arrived a few days before and were not permanently assigned to the towers. They were only there because of a bomb threat and were removed when no bombs were found and no new threats were issued.

This is a perfect example of the type of misleading info you get from these tin hat wearing fools. Dogs are brought on the scene for a few days to check the area and when they finish their task they leave. The conspiracy guys don't like to tell you that these dogs were not supposed to stay at the towers they simple tell you that they left. Very sneaky and deliberately misleading.