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**johnsonjunior** · 05-02-2007, 03:00 AM

Willie Brown warning

I urge anyone following this thread to read both news articles. Mine is the original news article and the one Rhandhular posted isn't much different. It just tries to play it down and not make look as suspicious to having prior knowledge.

my article. the first one presented to the public.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...2/MN229389.DTL

Rhandhular article
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...AGG9L4KI81.DTL

Directly from the article Rhandhular posted

What the mayor got from his source was a warning that Americans should be concerned about traveling.

Willie being Willie, he paid no attention -- and was actually waiting for his ride to the airport when he turned on the TV and, like millions of other Americans, watched as the World Trade Center crumbled.

Exactly how the warning popped up remains a mystery to this day.

It might have had something to do with a little-noticed State Department memo issued a week before that went out in a routine press briefing -- and that former Secretary of State George Shultz himself received -- warning that Americans may be the target of an attack from extremist groups "with links to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization."

The warning, however, dealt primarily with U.S. military bases in Japan and South Korea -- clearly the wrong targets.
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The only warning they could think of without down right accusing the Gov't of prior knowledge to 9/11 was to say this might have been in regard to a memo from last week that dealt with military bases in in Janp and S.K. Mayor Willie brown was set to travel to NYC not JAPAN and South Korea.

Rhandhular says case closed???????????????????
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WTC7.
are you telling me this picture http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html is the smoking gun as to why the building fell at free fall speed straight down??? It seems kind of weird that such Massive peices of steel and concrete were projected such long ranges at such high speeds to be able to cause such damage in the first place. It wasn't too long ago that they were still finding Bone fragments of Victims on near by roof tops. floors simply colapsing? or indications of explosive devices?

Even if there is damage like I said, that doesn't mean it would fall and this damage would make the building topple if anything. NOT fall straight down in 7 seconds. This is why "popular mechanics experts" can't even come up with a fake plausible explanation to the manner in which it fell and why it was also left out of the 9/11 commision report.

again, watch all the videos I posted. watch the fire fighters casually telling people to get back the building is going to ""blow"". Not Collapse but "blow".

Watch Silverstein say they MADE THE DECISION TO PULL IT AND WATCH THE BUILDING COLLAPSE". Please Post the whole video of Silverstein and see if the implication is different. He later tried to clarify after the fact when eye brows were being raised and he realized the magnitude of his statement. He then said that he meant to Pull fire fighters out. It sure sounded to me like he said "pull it" not "pull them out".

Kerry's exact words from the clip

"I do know that that wall, I remember, was in danger and I think they made the decision based on the danger that it had in destroying other things-- that they did it in a controlled fashion."

Kerry would blow the whistle on bush? LOL are you kidding Me? They are both members of Skull and bones and cousins to the Royal blood line. You obviously have no understanding of Secret Societies, Occult knowledge, and Occult history of this World.

as far as Alex Jones, It is Ok for you to post information from Popular Mechanics and say its credible but I can use no links from Prison Planet or alex jones? The information on this page was statements made by Firefighters and had links to interviews done inNYC on a Talk Show straight out the witenesses mouths (AUDIO), which had nothing to do with Alex Jones. What makes him so uncredible anyway? Are the hundreds of engineers,pilots and scientists who are part of the Scholars for 911 truth unworthey too?

Look at this video several times of the WTC7 colapse. Does this really look like something that happened from Fire? or damaged corner that was scoped out?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...collapse&hl=en

video comparison of a building that stood a blaze for 17 hours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEPjOi2dQSM

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47 internal columns. Lets not play word games here about who is calling who a liar.
FACT: WTC had 47 massive internal support columns that ran through the core of the building and the Commision Report does not even mention them, let alone state how they fell.

Here is another Good Vidoe:
Chief NIST engineer John Gross denies the existence of molten steel at Ground Zero despite testimony of ground zero workers, video footage of the lava like substance, and Nasa Thermal Imaging. Workers say some of these pools burned until December. Did Jet Fuel cause this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR7_9QgAb-I

**molaunterbizone** · 05-02-2007, 04:49 PM

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47 internal columns. Lets not play word games here about who is calling who a liar.
FACT: WTC had 47 massive internal support columns that ran through the core of the building and the Commision Report does not even mention them, let alone state how they fell.

Originally Posted by Conan21

Now you say they never mentioned the 47 columns and before you said that they showed the incorrect design of the buildings. The fact is it is never mentioned in the report. Once again the theory changes when confronted with facts.

Here is another Good Vidoe:
Chief NIST engineer John Gross denies the existence of molten steel at Ground Zero despite testimony of ground zero workers, video footage of the lava like substance, and Nasa Thermal Imaging. Workers say some of these pools burned until December. Did Jet Fuel cause this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR7_9QgAb-I

Originally Posted by Conan21

Add John Gross and the Nist to the list of conspriators

Kerry's exact words from the clip

"I do know that that wall, I remember, was in danger and I think they made the decision based on the danger that it had in destroying other things-- that they did it in a controlled fashion."

Kerry would blow the whistle on bush? LOL are you kidding Me? They are both members of Skull and bones and cousins to the Royal blood line. You obviously have no understanding of Secret Societies, Occult knowledge, and Occult history of this World.

Originally Posted by Conan21

Add John Kerry and the skull and Bones to the list of conspirators

Willie Brown warning

I urge anyone following this thread to read both news articles. Mine is the original news article and the one Rhandhular posted isn't much different. It just tries to play it down and not make look as suspicious to having prior knowledge.

my article. the first one presented to the public.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...2/MN229389.DTL

Rhandhular article
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...AGG9L4KI81.DTL

Directly from the article Rhandhular posted

What the mayor got from his source was a warning that Americans should be concerned about traveling.

Willie being Willie, he paid no attention -- and was actually waiting for his ride to the airport when he turned on the TV and, like millions of other Americans, watched as the World Trade Center crumbled.

Exactly how the warning popped up remains a mystery to this day.

It might have had something to do with a little-noticed State Department memo issued a week before that went out in a routine press briefing -- and that former Secretary of State George Shultz himself received -- warning that Americans may be the target of an attack from extremist groups "with links to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization."

The warning, however, dealt primarily with U.S. military bases in Japan and South Korea -- clearly the wrong targets.
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The only warning they could think of without down right accusing the Gov't of prior knowledge to 9/11 was to say this might have been in regard to a memo from last week that dealt with military bases in in Janp and S.K. Mayor Willie brown was set to travel to NYC not JAPAN and South Korea.

Rhandhular says case closed???????????????????
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Originally Posted by Conan21

Add Willie brown, The San Fransisco Gate, The State Department and George Shultz to the list of conspirators

again, watch all the videos I posted. watch the fire fighters casually telling people to get back the building is going to ""blow"". Not Collapse but "blow".

Originally Posted by Conan21

Add this group of firefighters to the list of conspirators

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47 internal columns. Lets not play word games here about who is calling who a liar.
FACT: WTC had 47 massive internal support columns that ran through the core of the building and the Commision Report does not even mention them, let alone state how they fell.

Originally Posted by Conan21

Add those who compiled the commission report to the list of conspirators.

It is Ok for you to post information from Popular Mechanics

Originally Posted by Conan21

Yep you guessed it. Add the editors from popular mechanics and the scientists they used to the list of conspirators

The list keeps getting larger and larger

**AndrewBoss** · 05-02-2007, 10:52 PM

Do you see the cockiness and arrogance of Rhandhular? Do you see him playing word games about the 47 columns? how many times did I say they left the 47 columns completely out of the report. Do you see how he picks an chooses on which topics to debate with me and neglects are great majority of them? Yet I address all of his.

They have things on video tape just as Ground Zero workers talking about molten steel at ground zero. They have pictures and video of it along with Nasa Themal imaging photos which show extreme temperaturs. but guys like Nist just say Nope not true. That is pretty much how most of this dubunking has been done. THey simply say.. "Not True, dubunked. Next question."

Obviously Willie Brown is not part of the conspiracy.
I never implicated NYPD or NYFD was in on.

Nist, kerry, bush, etc. Yes.

I do not think bush planned this. He along with others are just puppets for the world, front men to be in the public eye. This is not george bush conspiracy. There are hidden hands behind society and even people who are "in" on the conspiracy are on a need to know basis and do what they are told. One thing that I think is hilarious is to think that George W. Bush is running the fate of America and the world.

To deny the existance of hidden agendas and secret societies is burying your head in the sand. Laugh all you want but this entire world and world history is one big conspiracy. People have been manipulated for a long time through the use of religion and goverment and various forms of mind control.

Do you really believe groups like Free masons, Knights Templar, Golden Dawn, Knights of Malta, Rosicrucians, Order of death head, etc. are just a bunch of powerful people who sit around and drink beer and have secret handshakes?? Is that what you think?

Where did the royal blood lines come from? and why are they so fanatical about preserving the bloodline by only intermarrying with other royalty? WHat is that all about? just something for you to consider. I'm not going to start discussing this on here.

Simply learn what the basic symbol of freemasonry really stands for and you realize that everything you thought about open religion and God is a complete Lie and conspiracy. Find that basic tid bit of information, and you'll begin to realize conspiracies on a global scale are in fact real.

**Gastonleruanich** · 05-03-2007, 01:37 AM

Obviously Willie Brown is not part of the conspiracy.
I never implicated NYPD or NYFD was in on.

Nist, kerry, bush, etc. Yes.

Originally Posted by Conan21

Willie Brown and the SF Gate must be apart of the conspiracy if they are providing information that Willie sez its a myth that he was warned. If its not a myth and he is lying he and the paper must be guilty of a cover up making them a part of the conspiracy.

Don't forget I all ready debunked Conans claims about Ashcroft being warned not to fly on 9/11.

You most certainty implicated the involvement of the fire department and the with this statement

again, watch all the videos I posted. watch the fire fighters casually telling people to get back the building is going to ""blow"". Not Collapse but "blow".

Originally Posted by Conan21

You are implying the firemen are saying the building is going to blow up. If they mean it is going to blow up then they must have knowledge of the explosives that you say were planted for a controlled demolition. If they KNOW its going to blow up they would have to know about the conspiracy. If they are not in on the conspiracy how do they know its going to blow up?

This is where you implicate the NYPD. Again if they know its going to blow up then they must be aware that explosives were planted.

Here is a video of police casually telling people to get back. The building is going to blow up. He speaks in a very casual tone as if he knows what is going to happen. How did he know? and if so how did he know when?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwjmqkjwnvQ

Originally Posted by Conan21

By stating how did he know you are implying that he knew it was going to blow up. If he knew it was going to blow up he MUST be a part of the conspiracy!!

I do not think bush planned this. He along with others are just puppets for the world, front men to be in the public eye. This is not george bush conspiracy. There are hidden hands behind society and even people who are "in" on the conspiracy are on a need to know basis and do what they are told. One thing that I think is hilarious is to think that George W. Bush is running the fate of America and the world.

To deny the existance of hidden agendas and secret societies is burying your head in the sand. Laugh all you want but this entire world and world history is one big conspiracy. People have been manipulated for a long time through the use of religion and goverment and various forms of mind control.

Do you really believe groups like Free masons, Knights Templar, Golden Dawn, Knights of Malta, Rosicrucians, Order of death head, etc. are just a bunch of powerful people who sit around and drink beer and have secret handshakes?? Is that what you think?

Where did the royal blood lines come from? and why are they so fanatical about preserving the bloodline by only intermarrying with other royalty? WHat is that all about? just something for you to consider. I'm not going to start discussing this on here.

Simply learn what the basic symbol of freemasonry really stands for and you realize that everything you thought about open religion and God is a complete Lie and conspiracy. Find that basic tid bit of information, and you'll begin to realize conspiracies on a global scale are in fact real.

Originally Posted by Conan21

Ah The New World Order is behind 9/11. The Illuminati are responsible.

PLEASE Show me the theories I have missed I would love to address them.

**sobre** · 05-03-2007, 01:50 AM

Do you see the cockiness and arrogance of Rhandhular? Do you see him playing word games about the 47 columns? how many times did I say they left the 47 columns completely out of the report. Do you see how he picks an chooses on which topics to debate with me and neglects are great majority of them? Yet I address all of his.

Originally Posted by Conan21

Word games. Who is playing word games? Here is your original statement about the 47 columns

1) Why Did the 9/11 Commision's report not show the correct design of the WTC buildings when then were doing their dubunking? They completely left out the MANY Internal Support beams that ran through the center of the building that were a key component in the buildings safety design.

Originally Posted by Conan21

They didn't show any designs that I could find. None. Zero. Zilch. I asked what page these were on but Conan could not provide an answer. There is no reference to any of this in the 9/11 commission report and yet he maintains omissions were made. How can you omit something you don't cover? Note how the theory has changed from the original one.

He also states they were debunking conspiracy theories. I have clearly pointed out several times they made no attempt to debunk anything. It was not their intent to debunk anything.

Who is trying to mislead who?

**KuevDulin** · 05-03-2007, 02:14 AM

I reclarified that statement several times b/c of all your bickering.

I'll do it one more time to clarify your trivial non sense.

To Ommit,not Cover,not discuss, leav out,deny, what every words you want to use.... the existance of 47 Huge Interal Core columns and not indicate how they fell is mind boggling. If they wanted to make it atleast look atleast some what honest they could have stated that were there but were uncertain how the fell. The Also just completed OMMITTED building 7 from the report.

However you want to look at it without playing word games-- They did an absolutely Horrible Job at addressing the events of 9/11 and do not address tons of evidence that was available to them.

Again, You have people who say "how can you believe that conspiracy stuff?... it was proven in 9/11 commission report how that day went down" . I was simply stating that this shitty report dubunks no evidence in the 9/11 truth movement but it definately adds more fuel to the fire. That is what I meant by it debunks nothing.

Who is trying to mislead who? You are trying to mislead people by denying evidence, playing word games, simply typing "lol" and smilely faces as your response to undeniable evidence and picking and choosing which points to argue.

**NickGrass** · 05-03-2007, 02:43 AM

picking and choosing which points to argue.

Originally Posted by Conan21

Once again I will say show me the items I didn't address and I will address them.

**saruxanset** · 05-03-2007, 02:58 AM

To Ommit,not Cover,not discuss, leav out,deny, what every words you want to use.... the existance of 47 Huge Interal Core columns and not indicate how they fell is mind boggling. If they wanted to make it atleast look atleast some what honest they could have stated that were there but were uncertain how the fell. The Also just completed OMMITTED building 7 from the report.

Originally Posted by Conan21

I will also say this again. It was not the intent of the 9/11 commission report scientifically address how the towers fell.

The report also didn't address the temperature that day. Is this significant? Does this indicate another cover up?

Here is the bottom line. On Sept. 11 2001 two aircraft traveling at speeds of greater than 500 mph hit the towers. The impact and the resulting inferno weakened the structure and caused them to collapse upon themselves floor by floor. This is how it happened. Science backs this up. To suggest otherwise is disrespectful to those who lost their lives on that day.

Take care and be well

**artenotreah** · 05-03-2007, 03:29 AM

"The intent of the report was to provide the fullest possible account of the events the transpired on 9/11 and was compiled by a team of five democrats and five republicans."

They clearly did not provide the fullest possible account of the Events. They didn't even address all of the events that took place that day let alone the fullest account possilbe.

We can sit all here all day and argue back and forth about the science of how the buildings fell. Lets just say you are right. Planes alone brought them down. Scientifically proven. There is still a plathora of evidence that shows there was prior knowledge of the event. I haven't even addressed alot of points and I don't care to address anymore because I see how you are handling this debate and I don't think many people are reading this anyway.
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Without sifting through this whole thread and pointing out every single issue that you did not address directly or indirectly; I'll just use the most recent one as an example.

I posted A video of Chief NIST engineer John Gross, who flat out denies the existence of molten steel at Ground Zero despite testimony on Film of ground zero workers talking about this Molten Steel Lava. Despite video footage and pictures of the firey sumbstance, and despite Nasa Thermal Imaging photos indicating exteme temperatures. He claims he was there and It didn't exist. I stated that Ground zero workers say some of these pools burned until December and then raised the question how did Jet Fuel cause this? or what caused this?

Link to the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR7_9QgAb-I

Your witty response to this Issue was this...

"Add John Gross and the Nist to the list of conspriators

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05-02-2007, 04:49 PM	#2
molaunterbizone Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 469 Senior Member	------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 47 internal columns. Lets not play word games here about who is calling who a liar. FACT: WTC had 47 massive internal support columns that ran through the core of the building and the Commision Report does not even mention them, let alone state how they fell. Originally Posted by Conan21 Now you say they never mentioned the 47 columns and before you said that they showed the incorrect design of the buildings. The fact is it is never mentioned in the report. Once again the theory changes when confronted with facts. Here is another Good Vidoe: Chief NIST engineer John Gross denies the existence of molten steel at Ground Zero despite testimony of ground zero workers, video footage of the lava like substance, and Nasa Thermal Imaging. Workers say some of these pools burned until December. Did Jet Fuel cause this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR7_9QgAb-I Originally Posted by Conan21 Add John Gross and the Nist to the list of conspriators Kerry's exact words from the clip "I do know that that wall, I remember, was in danger and I think they made the decision based on the danger that it had in destroying other things-- that they did it in a controlled fashion." Kerry would blow the whistle on bush? LOL are you kidding Me? They are both members of Skull and bones and cousins to the Royal blood line. You obviously have no understanding of Secret Societies, Occult knowledge, and Occult history of this World. Originally Posted by Conan21 Add John Kerry and the skull and Bones to the list of conspirators Willie Brown warning I urge anyone following this thread to read both news articles. Mine is the original news article and the one Rhandhular posted isn't much different. It just tries to play it down and not make look as suspicious to having prior knowledge. my article. the first one presented to the public. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...2/MN229389.DTL Rhandhular article http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...AGG9L4KI81.DTL Directly from the article Rhandhular posted What the mayor got from his source was a warning that Americans should be concerned about traveling. Willie being Willie, he paid no attention -- and was actually waiting for his ride to the airport when he turned on the TV and, like millions of other Americans, watched as the World Trade Center crumbled. Exactly how the warning popped up remains a mystery to this day. It might have had something to do with a little-noticed State Department memo issued a week before that went out in a routine press briefing -- and that former Secretary of State George Shultz himself received -- warning that Americans may be the target of an attack from extremist groups "with links to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization." The warning, however, dealt primarily with U.S. military bases in Japan and South Korea -- clearly the wrong targets. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The only warning they could think of without down right accusing the Gov't of prior knowledge to 9/11 was to say this might have been in regard to a memo from last week that dealt with military bases in in Janp and S.K. Mayor Willie brown was set to travel to NYC not JAPAN and South Korea. Rhandhular says case closed??????????????????? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Conan21 Add Willie brown, The San Fransisco Gate, The State Department and George Shultz to the list of conspirators again, watch all the videos I posted. watch the fire fighters casually telling people to get back the building is going to ""blow"". Not Collapse but "blow". Originally Posted by Conan21 Add this group of firefighters to the list of conspirators -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 47 internal columns. Lets not play word games here about who is calling who a liar. FACT: WTC had 47 massive internal support columns that ran through the core of the building and the Commision Report does not even mention them, let alone state how they fell. Originally Posted by Conan21 Add those who compiled the commission report to the list of conspirators. It is Ok for you to post information from Popular Mechanics Originally Posted by Conan21 Yep you guessed it. Add the editors from popular mechanics and the scientists they used to the list of conspirators The list keeps getting larger and larger Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Last edited by Rhandhular; 05-02-2007 at 04:51 PM.
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05-02-2007, 10:52 PM	#3
AndrewBoss Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 636 Senior Member	attention readers of this thread. Do you see the cockiness and arrogance of Rhandhular? Do you see him playing word games about the 47 columns? how many times did I say they left the 47 columns completely out of the report. Do you see how he picks an chooses on which topics to debate with me and neglects are great majority of them? Yet I address all of his. They have things on video tape just as Ground Zero workers talking about molten steel at ground zero. They have pictures and video of it along with Nasa Themal imaging photos which show extreme temperaturs. but guys like Nist just say Nope not true. That is pretty much how most of this dubunking has been done. THey simply say.. "Not True, dubunked. Next question." Obviously Willie Brown is not part of the conspiracy. I never implicated NYPD or NYFD was in on. Nist, kerry, bush, etc. Yes. I do not think bush planned this. He along with others are just puppets for the world, front men to be in the public eye. This is not george bush conspiracy. There are hidden hands behind society and even people who are "in" on the conspiracy are on a need to know basis and do what they are told. One thing that I think is hilarious is to think that George W. Bush is running the fate of America and the world. To deny the existance of hidden agendas and secret societies is burying your head in the sand. Laugh all you want but this entire world and world history is one big conspiracy. People have been manipulated for a long time through the use of religion and goverment and various forms of mind control. Do you really believe groups like Free masons, Knights Templar, Golden Dawn, Knights of Malta, Rosicrucians, Order of death head, etc. are just a bunch of powerful people who sit around and drink beer and have secret handshakes?? Is that what you think? Where did the royal blood lines come from? and why are they so fanatical about preserving the bloodline by only intermarrying with other royalty? WHat is that all about? just something for you to consider. I'm not going to start discussing this on here. Simply learn what the basic symbol of freemasonry really stands for and you realize that everything you thought about open religion and God is a complete Lie and conspiracy. Find that basic tid bit of information, and you'll begin to realize conspiracies on a global scale are in fact real. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Last edited by Conan21; 05-03-2007 at 12:34 AM.
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05-03-2007, 01:37 AM	#4
Gastonleruanich Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 592 Senior Member	Obviously Willie Brown is not part of the conspiracy. I never implicated NYPD or NYFD was in on. Nist, kerry, bush, etc. Yes. Originally Posted by Conan21 Willie Brown and the SF Gate must be apart of the conspiracy if they are providing information that Willie sez its a myth that he was warned. If its not a myth and he is lying he and the paper must be guilty of a cover up making them a part of the conspiracy. Don't forget I all ready debunked Conans claims about Ashcroft being warned not to fly on 9/11. You most certainty implicated the involvement of the fire department and the with this statement again, watch all the videos I posted. watch the fire fighters casually telling people to get back the building is going to ""blow"". Not Collapse but "blow". Originally Posted by Conan21 You are implying the firemen are saying the building is going to blow up. If they mean it is going to blow up then they must have knowledge of the explosives that you say were planted for a controlled demolition. If they KNOW its going to blow up they would have to know about the conspiracy. If they are not in on the conspiracy how do they know its going to blow up? This is where you implicate the NYPD. Again if they know its going to blow up then they must be aware that explosives were planted. Here is a video of police casually telling people to get back. The building is going to blow up. He speaks in a very casual tone as if he knows what is going to happen. How did he know? and if so how did he know when? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwjmqkjwnvQ Originally Posted by Conan21 By stating how did he know you are implying that he knew it was going to blow up. If he knew it was going to blow up he MUST be a part of the conspiracy!! I do not think bush planned this. He along with others are just puppets for the world, front men to be in the public eye. This is not george bush conspiracy. There are hidden hands behind society and even people who are "in" on the conspiracy are on a need to know basis and do what they are told. One thing that I think is hilarious is to think that George W. Bush is running the fate of America and the world. To deny the existance of hidden agendas and secret societies is burying your head in the sand. Laugh all you want but this entire world and world history is one big conspiracy. People have been manipulated for a long time through the use of religion and goverment and various forms of mind control. Do you really believe groups like Free masons, Knights Templar, Golden Dawn, Knights of Malta, Rosicrucians, Order of death head, etc. are just a bunch of powerful people who sit around and drink beer and have secret handshakes?? Is that what you think? Where did the royal blood lines come from? and why are they so fanatical about preserving the bloodline by only intermarrying with other royalty? WHat is that all about? just something for you to consider. I'm not going to start discussing this on here. Simply learn what the basic symbol of freemasonry really stands for and you realize that everything you thought about open religion and God is a complete Lie and conspiracy. Find that basic tid bit of information, and you'll begin to realize conspiracies on a global scale are in fact real. Originally Posted by Conan21 Ah The New World Order is behind 9/11. The Illuminati are responsible. PLEASE Show me the theories I have missed I would love to address them. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Last edited by Rhandhular; 05-03-2007 at 01:40 AM.
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05-03-2007, 01:50 AM	#5
sobre Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 382 Senior Member	Do you see the cockiness and arrogance of Rhandhular? Do you see him playing word games about the 47 columns? how many times did I say they left the 47 columns completely out of the report. Do you see how he picks an chooses on which topics to debate with me and neglects are great majority of them? Yet I address all of his. Originally Posted by Conan21 Word games. Who is playing word games? Here is your original statement about the 47 columns 1) Why Did the 9/11 Commision's report not show the correct design of the WTC buildings when then were doing their dubunking? They completely left out the MANY Internal Support beams that ran through the center of the building that were a key component in the buildings safety design. Originally Posted by Conan21 They didn't show any designs that I could find. None. Zero. Zilch. I asked what page these were on but Conan could not provide an answer. There is no reference to any of this in the 9/11 commission report and yet he maintains omissions were made. How can you omit something you don't cover? Note how the theory has changed from the original one. He also states they were debunking conspiracy theories. I have clearly pointed out several times they made no attempt to debunk anything. It was not their intent to debunk anything. Who is trying to mislead who? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Last edited by Rhandhular; 05-03-2007 at 01:53 AM.
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05-03-2007, 02:14 AM	#6
KuevDulin Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 362 Senior Member	Hey buddy I reclarified that statement several times b/c of all your bickering. I'll do it one more time to clarify your trivial non sense. To Ommit,not Cover,not discuss, leav out,deny, what every words you want to use.... the existance of 47 Huge Interal Core columns and not indicate how they fell is mind boggling. If they wanted to make it atleast look atleast some what honest they could have stated that were there but were uncertain how the fell. The Also just completed OMMITTED building 7 from the report. However you want to look at it without playing word games-- They did an absolutely Horrible Job at addressing the events of 9/11 and do not address tons of evidence that was available to them. Again, You have people who say "how can you believe that conspiracy stuff?... it was proven in 9/11 commission report how that day went down" . I was simply stating that this shitty report dubunks no evidence in the 9/11 truth movement but it definately adds more fuel to the fire. That is what I meant by it debunks nothing. Who is trying to mislead who? You are trying to mislead people by denying evidence, playing word games, simply typing "lol" and smilely faces as your response to undeniable evidence and picking and choosing which points to argue. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Last edited by Conan21; 05-03-2007 at 02:18 AM.
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05-03-2007, 02:43 AM	#7
NickGrass Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 585 Senior Member	picking and choosing which points to argue. Originally Posted by Conan21 Once again I will say show me the items I didn't address and I will address them. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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05-03-2007, 02:58 AM	#8
saruxanset Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 471 Senior Member	To Ommit,not Cover,not discuss, leav out,deny, what every words you want to use.... the existance of 47 Huge Interal Core columns and not indicate how they fell is mind boggling. If they wanted to make it atleast look atleast some what honest they could have stated that were there but were uncertain how the fell. The Also just completed OMMITTED building 7 from the report. Originally Posted by Conan21 I will also say this again. It was not the intent of the 9/11 commission report scientifically address how the towers fell. The report also didn't address the temperature that day. Is this significant? Does this indicate another cover up? Here is the bottom line. On Sept. 11 2001 two aircraft traveling at speeds of greater than 500 mph hit the towers. The impact and the resulting inferno weakened the structure and caused them to collapse upon themselves floor by floor. This is how it happened. Science backs this up. To suggest otherwise is disrespectful to those who lost their lives on that day. Take care and be well Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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05-03-2007, 03:29 AM	#9
artenotreah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 603 Senior Member	9/11 Commission Report objective?? "The intent of the report was to provide the fullest possible account of the events the transpired on 9/11 and was compiled by a team of five democrats and five republicans." They clearly did not provide the fullest possible account of the Events. They didn't even address all of the events that took place that day let alone the fullest account possilbe. We can sit all here all day and argue back and forth about the science of how the buildings fell. Lets just say you are right. Planes alone brought them down. Scientifically proven. There is still a plathora of evidence that shows there was prior knowledge of the event. I haven't even addressed alot of points and I don't care to address anymore because I see how you are handling this debate and I don't think many people are reading this anyway. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Without sifting through this whole thread and pointing out every single issue that you did not address directly or indirectly; I'll just use the most recent one as an example. I posted A video of Chief NIST engineer John Gross, who flat out denies the existence of molten steel at Ground Zero despite testimony on Film of ground zero workers talking about this Molten Steel Lava. Despite video footage and pictures of the firey sumbstance, and despite Nasa Thermal Imaging photos indicating exteme temperatures. He claims he was there and It didn't exist. I stated that Ground zero workers say some of these pools burned until December and then raised the question how did Jet Fuel cause this? or what caused this? Link to the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR7_9QgAb-I Your witty response to this Issue was this... "Add John Gross and the Nist to the list of conspriators " Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Last edited by Conan21; 05-03-2007 at 03:38 AM.
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