[AnimeThat]

I didn't even see all of your responses b/c you do it in such a sloppy fashion.

First off you dubunked nothing about warnings not to fly:
Here was my original question

11) WHat is your thoughts on MANY public officials being warned not to fly on September 11th? Mayor Willie Brown from San Fran, Jon Ashcroft, author S. Raushdee, and others were told not to fly to New York. The Joint Cheif of Staff had a metting in New York on Sept 11th but were told to cancell their flight? how do you explain that?

The only one with weak evidence on this is Ascroft. You did not debunk it but it is just not a strong case. However, You were completely wrong about Willie Brownas I clearly pointed out that he recieved a warning about american air travel for 9/10 as he was getting ready to fly to NYC. Thy "MYTH" that you keep quoting is is that he was personally warned by Condeleeza Rice but states he did he recieve a warning on 9/10. And you also failed to address the others who recieved warnings. One more example of picking and choosing pieces to argue.

I did not implicate they they NYPD. They were told the building was gonna be brought down/pulled..period, not part of the conspiracy. They have spoken out about it. Made public statements, etc. I posted links and Audio interview and you didn't address that either b/c it was on a prison planet link.

See the problem is that Main streem media will not allow this stuff to be put on TV. Occasionaly guys like Bill OReilly will have 9/ll movement people on their shows and tell them to plead their case in 3 minutes and yell over them the whole time telling them that they hate their country. It is absurd. Give these guys an hour or 2 hours. And let the public watch it and decide for themselves. It sure is a big debate in america. Why not properly cover it? I think these issues need to be thoroughly presented to american. Will this happen? I doubt it!! Almost 40% of Americans believe this was a Gov't cover up and as far as Im concerned MOST americans aren't even aware of the hidden information surrounding 9/11

article showing 36% of Amercians believe there is a conpiracy. This was even brought up by Bill OReily himself on his show to make fun of.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...531304,00.html

This is also what happens when people speak out and get right to the point. They get cut off right away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=novsn0xlioI

He was addressing the following issues.

The Phoenix Memo was a warning from the FBI sent to Washington DC in July 2001 saying that Bin Laden operatives were training at Phoenix flights school and at risk of hijacking airliners.

Zacarious Moussaoui was training in MN when his teachers noticed he wasn't interested in taking off or landing and sent out another warning. He was arrested in August of 2001 but the FBI was denied access to his laptop which had the 9/11 plot inside it.

(feel free to address these two points)

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In any catasrophe of this type there are strange or unexplainable events leading up to and after the fact. Bits and peices of information from credible and non-credible sourses woven together to portray a set of events to appear a certain way or give the impression that more sinister forces were at work. It makes for subpar entertainment but nothing more. What Rhandhular has proved is that there just isn't enough credible evidence to warrant such fantasy and insult to those who have died and there familys that are left behind to deal with the aftermath. Much along the lines of Cindy sheite giving a cold slap in the face to Vets and and boots on the ground, these theorys are nothing more than malicious and intended division of an America in the throes of Islamic terrorism. The only people who belive this crap are listening to Art late at night while smoking some type of illegal substance, problably crack! LOL! sorry Conan you lose this one.....

[Katrinsitter]

In any catasrophe of this type there are strange or unexplainable events leading up to and after the fact. Bits and peices of information from credible and non-credible sourses woven together to portray a set of events to appear a certain way or give the impression that more sinister forces were at work. It makes for subpar entertainment but nothing more. What Rhandhular has proved is that there just isn't enough credible evidence to warrant such fantasy and insult to those who have died and there familys that are left behind to deal with the aftermath. Much along the lines of Cindy sheite giving a cold slap in the face to Vets and and boots on the ground, these theorys are nothing more than malicious and intended division of an America in the throes of Islamic terrorism. The only people who belive this crap are listening to Art late at night while smoking some type of illegal substance, problably crack! LOL! sorry Conan you lose this one.....

Originally Posted by agentsmith

Good post Agent Smith! You have posted the absolute truth on the subject. I would like to point out though that this conspiracy is so far from being believable that Art Bell doesn't even believe it

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Readers of this thread:

As you can see Rhandhular once again skipped over points. This time he asked me to point out to him specifically what he did not respond to and I showed him a few and he had no response once again. He did this through this Entire thread. And then made a silly little post about what I said regarding the buildings.

I will finish my discussion in this thread by stating that a great deal of 9/11 family victims are either part of the 9/11 truth movement or are not satisfied with the official story and want a brand new investigation. The Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Independent Commission, is one such group that believes in a cover up. It is is an independent, nonpartisan group of individuals who lost loved ones on September 11, 2001.

AgentSmith says anyone who believes this stuff or even has possible doubt of a conspiracy to some degree must be “smoking Crack” and it is being disrespectful to those who died and their family. Considering many of these organizations are made of 9/11 family victims who want answers, It is clear to see comments like his are the disrespectful ones.

How do Americans feel about this issue?

36 % believe in a conspiracy
MOST are not even aware of any information concerning 9/11 beyond what they saw on TV and their local Newspaper so one could only imagine how fast this percentage would increase.

A Zogby poll interviewing New Yorkers about the 9/11 Official story came up with these findings
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50 % of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act;

66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals

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I will finish my discussion in this thread by stating that a great deal of 9/11 family victims are either part of the 9/11 truth movement or are not satisfied with the official story and want a brand new investigation. The Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Independent Commission, is one such group that believes in a cover up. It is is an independent, nonpartisan group of individuals who lost loved ones on September 11, 2001.

Originally Posted by Conan21

Bullshit. A great deal of the victims families are not screaming conspiracy. Here Conan is either repeating bad information or he is blatantly making things up to give his version of events credibility.

[AbraroLib]

Hey Rhand, I was just looking at Big A's Questions.

You didn't answer any of them?

you only posted a link of pictures of tin scraps and paper mache as proof that a plane hit the pentagon.

[OEMCHEAPSOFTDOWNLOAD]

Hey Rhand, I was just looking at Big A's Questions.

You didn't answer any of them?

you only posted a link of pictures of tin scraps and paper mache as proof that a plane hit the pentagon.

Originally Posted by Conan21

I answered question #1 and question #5 and #6. I could address them all if anyone really wants me to. The truth is no one with any intelligence really believes there was a controlled demolition that brought down the towers or wtc7.

[BreeveKambmak]

I didn't even see all of your responses b/c you do it in such a sloppy fashion.

First off you dubunked nothing about warnings not to fly:
Here was my original question

11) WHat is your thoughts on MANY public officials being warned not to fly on September 11th? Mayor Willie Brown from San Fran, Jon Ashcroft, author S. Raushdee, and others were told not to fly to New York. The Joint Cheif of Staff had a metting in New York on Sept 11th but were told to cancell their flight? how do you explain that?

Originally Posted by Conan21

How many times do I have to cover it before it sinks in? Here is the information from Ashcroft Himself. Its is clear he did not change any flight plans and he was on a flight the morning of 9/11!!

How do you know they were warned not to fly? What exactly was the warning they received? You should title this one many people have heard that many public officials were warned not to fly? You make a grand statement but with no documentation to back it up it means nothing.

I submit Jon Ashcroft own statement on this subject...
BEN-VENISTE: ...At some point in the spring or summer of 2001, around the time of this heightened threat alert, you apparently began to use a private chartered jet plane, changing from your use of commercial aircraft on grounds, our staff is informed, of an FBI threat assessment. And, indeed, as you told us, on September 11th itself you were on a chartered jet at the time of the attack.

Can you supply the details, sir, regarding the threat which caused you to change from commercial to private leased jet?

ASHCROFT: ...Let me indicate to you that I never ceased to use commercial aircraft for my personal travel.

ASHCROFT: My wife traveled to Germany and back in August. My wife and I traveled to Washington, D.C., on the 3rd of September before the 17th -- before the 11th attack on commercial aircraft.

I have exclusively traveled on commercial aircraft for my personal travel; continued through the year 2000, through the entirety of the threat period to the nation.

The assessment made by the security team and the Department of Justice was made early in the year. It was not related to a terrorism threat as a threat to the nation. It was related to an assessment of the security for the attorney general, given his responsibilities and the job that he undertakes. And it related to the maintenance of arms and other things by individuals who travel with the attorney general. And it was their assessment that we would be best served to use government aircraft.

These were not private chartered jet aircraft. These were aircraft of the United States government. And it was on such an aircraft that I was on my way to an event in Milwaukee on the morning of September the 11th.
http://www.nj.com/war/ledger/index.s..._ashcroft.html

Another one debunked.

Originally Posted by Rhandhular

Here Willie Brown is quoted as saying that warnings that he recieved info not to fly specifically on 9/11 are a myth. It is from the same the same news paper that Conan uses as a reference.

Ok. Lets do Willie Brown buts lets gets his own words from an interview with the paper you use as a factual source. Willie Brown calls this a MYTH!! It never happened as suggested by conspiracy theorists. Here the excerpt and then the link.



The "myth" has its origins in the night before the attacks, when Brown called "my security people at the airport'' to check on his flight to New York the next morning.

What the mayor got from his source was a warning that Americans should be concerned about traveling.

Willie being Willie, he paid no attention -- and was actually waiting for his ride to the airport when he turned on the TV and, like millions of other Americans, watched as the World Trade Center crumbled.

Exactly how the warning popped up remains a mystery to this day.

It might have had something to do with a little-noticed State Department memo issued a week before that went out in a routine press briefing -- and that former Secretary of State George Shultz himself received -- warning that Americans may be the target of an attack from extremist groups "with links to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization."

The warning, however, dealt primarily with U.S. military bases in Japan and South Korea -- clearly the wrong targets.

You must scroll to the bottom of the page...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...AGG9L4KI81.DTL


Case closed on Willie Brown!!

Originally Posted by Rhandhular

He was waiting for a ride to the airport when he heard the towers had been struck!! lol

The facts are on my side in this case he can argue till he is red in the face but it wont change the fact that NO ONE recieved specific information not to fly on Sept. 11 2001