[standaman]

retiredafb's videos of the ship on the moon are very convincing, so convincing that I wanted them to be real. Unfortunatly, if you watch his video of the Apollo 20 takeoff, you will see one the poorest attempts at CG I have seen in a while. On top of that, he also has videos of the ancient city on the moon. The city is more convincing then the Satrun V takeoff, but if you dig into the web somemore, you can find images of the exact same location without the city. Whats more is the shadows falling off the rocks in the video of the city don't jive with the shadows falling off the city itself. Keeping all that in mind, it is easy to see that those 3 videos are fake.

However, the image here is on a website that has a contract with NASA to examine moon photos, and it clearly shows the same object that are in retiredafb's videos on youtube. As for billions of year old, I really hope that was a typo and he ment millions of year old, although I suppose in a galaxy that is, what, 13.7 billion years old it isn't to heard to concieve that someone what flying around 1 or 2 billion years ago. On top of that, giant cigar shaped UFOs don't seem to be strangers to our solar system. [LINK]

Personally, I'm still up in the air about this one. I want to believe it, but I don't like being one of those people that tries to prove aliens and UFOs exist. I would rather be one of those people who tries to disprove everything I see, and then believe in what I can't disprove.

I am a member of a research group (Pegasus Reasearch Consortium). John Lear is one of our members. That is my disclaimer, and should alert any interested party to my overall points of view (i am not like minded entirely, but generally, as is most of our research team). There is lots of additional information about the moon here:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/

Having said that, i will say this: RetiredAFB's story is hard to prove or disprove. I will say that your assertion that we have other images of that same area without the city may seem convincing. However, there are several documents that our group has gleaned from various .mil sources (LANL, DoD, AFRL, ARL, etc) that would indicate that there is already large scale obfuscation being performed over several sensitive lunar sites.

The crater shown, however, is another story (the City is poor video quality and seems somewhat cheesy). If you look at the stills of the video (i have a copy, if anyone wishes to examine frame by frame), however, it is remarkable how the close up scales up so nicely from the NASA/LPI images of Itzhak crater. There is a cigar shaped image there on NASA's very own photo that is EXTREMELY odd.

When you add to this the discoveries of Jack Arneson (as well as anecdotal info provided John Lear during his career flying for various governmental agencies, clandestine and not) regarding some of the subterfuge used by NASA, it makes you really start to wonder about this video in particular.

There is a LOT more info out there. This is only a piece of the pie. For a real good time, try researching into how the new materials and technologies of nanomachines/nanomaterials is and will continue to revolutionize our nation. And Plasma Cosmology (i have a small section on that on thelivingmoon website). Even Los Alamos National Labs is waist deep in that one.