[hotsaucemidl]

A paedophile rapes a 6 year old child. The paedophile is caught and there is a huge amount of evidence stacked up against the paedophile for his crime, the paedophile is proven guilty and sent to prison and is punished.
What do you think is an adequate punishment or sentence for this paedophile in this particular scenario/poll and you general feelings of the justice system in your country? View more random threads same category:

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[purchasviagra]

There is a similar thread here http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21228. That thread is more general than your specific scenario though.

[wbondarmunw]

I have children and if anyone of them was molested by a ped' they would have to lock me in prison for the things I would do to him.
The poll doesn't include options for torture and likewise treatment as a punishment before castration and death by being drawn and quartered.
There is no room in my mind for ped's in any way shape or form.
People will probably disagree with me and make their cases that people who are ped's are normal and have as much "right" to their forms of pleasure the same as any homo/heterosexual but I vehemently disagree and say that imo that anyone who thinks ped's have a place in any society deserve to be in prison with them as well.
I can not get anymore honest than that.

Even though i do not have children, i have to generally agree on your feelings in this situation.
The reason why i put castration as an option though, is because i believe that paedophiles have a chemical imbalance in their brain that makes them sexually attracted to children instead of people their own age. The sex drive is one of the most powerful instincts in the human body and mind, and is incredibly hard to get rid of it- this is why i believe that so many paedophiles that come out of prison after serving their sentence, only go to re-offend somewhere down the line again. If you remove the testicles, you basically remove the sex drive for the most part- and to be honest, i dont think that paedophiles should have the right to raise children of their own anyways if they offend.
There's a close line between human rights and punishment/justice with people, i was tempted to add torture as an option, but this is more about what you believe is an adequate or good solution or justice to an offending paedophile, and torture itself is a lowly barbaric act that will often only further psychologically mess up the individual- so as much as i honestly would want to torture a paedophile if he raped one of my children, i don't see it as much of a solution if any.

[kylsq0Ln]

People will probably disagree with me and make their cases that people who are ped's are normal and have as much "right" to their forms of pleasure the same as any homo/heterosexual but I vehemently disagree and say that imo that anyone who thinks ped's have a place in any society deserve to be in prison with them as well.

I do disagree with you, but I can understand why you feel so strongly. I don't see what torturing a paedophile would achieve, except to indulge a victim's desire for revenge. I think it would be much more constructive for the victim to get some kind of compensation (not necessarily financial) from the criminal. I've never heard anyone say that paedophiles are normal and have a right to abuse children. It seems more likely to me that they are criminally insane and should be treated as such.

[dittygari]

Personally I think that if torture or an "absolute" pushiment was mandated it would also help to serve as a deterent.

I seriously doubt that any deterrent will prevent a paedophile from abusing a child. The hatred felt towards them by the general public, the beatings they often get from other prisoners (and probably guards), the threat of being placed on the sex offenders register - all these seem like pretty strong deterrents, but they don't seem to work at all. It might be a better deterrent if they thought they were more likely to get caught. Perhaps we should be educating children to know what is inappropriate, but how that would be possible I can't begin to imagine.

There is no compensation, IMO, that would suffice for victims of abuse such as this. The scars remain for a lifetime. What "lifetime" scars could one give to such a person that committed such a crime that would affect them in the same manner as their victim?

I agree, no compensation would ever be adequate. But I'm not convinced that revenge would truly assuage those feelings either. I think the desire for revenge is a negative emotion, and I don't believe that indulging in negative desires is psychologically healthy in the long run.

[kasandrasikl]

There's too many options in the poll.

I think we need to define "pedophile".
There's a huge difference between getting turned on by underage people and going out raping them.
I mean, heterosexuals don't go out raping people, so why should pedophiles do it.
Sexual preference is not a crime.

Child molesters are ofcourse despicable,
but there's a different question there that complicates matters.
Are they really sane enough to go to prison?
If a child molestor is sane, that means that it's sane to molest children.
So logically, a child molestor should go to a mental asylum.
And in sweden, that's about the only way you can get 'life',
if you're irreparable psychologically, you'll never get out.
Which is smart ofcourse, because sane people shouldn't be in asylums.
And the point of punishment of criminals in sweden is not to take out revenge on the criminal, that's pointless. The idea is to discourage others from committing the same crime, socialise the members of society into what's right and wrong, show them the sanctions of their behaviour.

[bellson]

While I agree with what Yidaki says above, we can find that we were given a definition, in a way, at the beginning of the thread ie. someone convicted of raping a 6 year old. Also, of course and unfortunately, some heterosexuals do 'go out and rape people'

A paedophile rapes a 6 year old child. The paedophile is caught and there is a huge amount of evidence stacked up against the paedophile for his crime, the paedophile is proven guilty and sent to prison and is punished.

I would also like to put my opinion towards avoiding punishment in the name of revenge. Thinking about your own children or those of your friends being molested make make one angry, but I think situations like this have to be looked at objectively. Personally I think the mental asylum suggestion above holds some weight, as well, of course, as the victim recieving compensation.

[occurrini]

Pedophile in my definition would be having intimate relations with anyone under 14-15 years of age. If the younger party consents I dont see a large problem with it, unless that is they are under the age listed above. Its pretty common in many latino countries for girls to get married at 12-13, although I think that is exceptionally pushing the limits.

I may stand alone on this but im one person in general who thinks that sex crime punishments are in general extremely to harsh, 20-60 years for a rape is somewhat insane, I think 2-5 is more acceptable.

[Hofonom]

Pedophile in my definition would be having intimate relations with anyone under 14-15 years of age. If the younger party consents I dont see a large problem with it, unless that is they are under the age listed above. Its pretty common in many latino countries for girls to get married at 12-13, although I think that is exceptionally pushing the limits.

If a 15yr old has sex with a 13yr old though, does that make them a paedophile too though? Some children go through puberty as young as 9 years old, sometimes even younger. The way i see it, until you are 13 you are still essentially a child, and then afterwards you become a teenager, and so forth. But would you consider a 15yr old a paedophile if they have sex with somone who is 2yrs younger than them or do they have to be alot older to be considered one, and if so, how old would somone have to be to be considered a paedophile for having sex with a 13yr old in your opinion? Is there any particular reason why you think a 2-5 year prison sentence is adequate or why a longer one is not ?

[noingenah]

Ok then what would do do in the case of repeat offenders? Seems to me that I read somewhere that the majority of sex offenders will repeat their crimes. Also that most sex related crimes are not about sex, but power.
I also remember hearing and reading somewhere that sex offenders when placed in prisons need to be kept out of the general population because they are considered to be the lowest of the low in the hierarchy of criminal's.

Double the sentence with each offence, 3 strikes your out.

If a 15yr old has sex with a 13yr old though, does that make them a paedophile too though? Some children go through puberty as young as 9 years old, sometimes even younger. The way i see it, until you are 13 you are still essentially a child, and then afterwards you become a teenager, and so forth. But would you consider a 15yr old a paedophile if they have sex with somone who is 2yrs younger than them or do they have to be alot older to be considered one, and if so, how old would somone have to be to be considered a paedophile for having sex with a 13yr old in your opinion? Is there any particular reason why you think a 2-5 year prison sentence is adequate or why a longer one is not ?

Because its not really a big deal. I mean the majority the good looking women get around alot anyway, and chance are an older married woman isnt going to be the target of a rapist to begin with!

For example, a prostitute gets raped? Honestly why would anyone care!? Most teenage girls who dress attractive enough to attract a rapist have 20+ boyfriends in there high school career, and probably even banged the bum down the street to. So why would it be such a major crime!? if I was a computer I would say "doesnt compute" maybe I have screwed up moral ethics, its just the way I see things.

Dont get me wrong women, there are many good moraled women out there, and usually its very rare that these women are targeted. I however sometimes laugh at those who do, walking around dressed half way like a stripper, and switching boyfriends every week, those women deserve it, its the devils revenge for there own sins!

This thread gets a:

[asharbiq]

Im in general not a passionate person, women who work in the "sex industry" as you call it are lowly, freaking lazy bums, get a job somewhere, anywhere, even McDonalds would do. And im not sexist, men who sleep around also deserve to have there balls cut off, or spend a nice long night in a lonely jell cell with a large black man named bubba.

Im against cheating or sleeping around of any type in general, those who do are lower than the dirt stuck between my shoes.

[tomsmuidh]

The man who does the raping will of course go to hell as well, two sinners, like two peas in a pod. There is always a way to by, even if it means working around the clock at a fast food joint, applying the the government for help, pick tomatoes, beg for money on the street!

My parents were both dirt poor when I was born! My mother sure as hells fire didn't sink to being a prostitute nor did my father sink to being a THEIF! BOTH ARE COMPELLED BY LAZYNESS! Effort and hard work can avoid sinking and becoming a wad of trash, there is ALWAYS a way out you just have to look for it.

Contradicting myself? How am I? They should at least get it semi easy on earth since there going to burn for all eternity anyway, and there also punishing other sinners.

[EspnaConCam]

Chances are the victom was guilty of sin to begin with.

[Loonakind]

Im not ******** im truthfully stating my opinion, however unpopular it may be. Thats the problem with todays society, unwillingness to accept eccentic opinions. You may call me a *****, but im not, I 100% support everything I have said and would sign my name to it if needed.

[gghrdfffhfyj]

I am deeply offended by what SortOf is saying here, at least as far as I can take him seriously.
A victim of rape is just as much to blame as a rapist?
Rapists shouldn't be punished because they will be punished in Hell?
Prostitutes only work in the sex trade because they are lazy?

Dawkins said something like "Good people do good things. Bad people do bad things. Only religion can make Good people do bad things." I think we may have a case of that here.

Many porstitutes don't have any choice? Have a read of some of Amnesty's information on trafficing. http://www.amnesty.org.uk/sextraffic/index.shtml

To suggest that any crime is a victims fault stikes me as being insane. Nobody deserves to be raped. If a woman or man has lots of sexual partners that doen't make it any more acceptable to rape them! And neither is it even a crime! Rape is a serious crime that can cause severe emotional and physical damage, and even pregnancy. To call it 'not really a big deal' is extrememly insulting and offensive.

To suggest that people shouldn't be punished because they will be in Hell doens't even make any sense. The point of the justice system is to act as a deterrent to prevent crimes, and then to prevent repeat offences. It can also be used to enact revenge, whether or not that is a good thing. In the first place how is divine punishment going to deter Athiests in any way? If all acts should only recieve their rewards and punishments after death then we would be under no obligation to punish anyone for anything. Lets just let Sadam go free, he'll get his punsihment in Hell after all!?!

I recommend making an appointment with a mental health professional, you need to get yourself sorted out because at the moment you are a threat to everyone around you.

[dodsCooggipsehome]

I agree with KrazyKat, your opinions/views SortOf are very narrow-minded/arrogant and ignorant, aside from being from being offensive. Its not that i believe they are wrong(which i do, but anyways..), but i do not think you have thought them out well and thoroughly enough- they have many flaws from almost any veiwpoint you at them from.

[Qauunet]

"Good people do good things. Bad people do bad things. Only religion can make Good people do bad things."

KrazyKat, first off, I must disagree with you on that point. Greed, passion, lust, anger, stress, etc. can cause even the best of us to do bad things. As well, we must remember that "good" and "bad" mean different things to different people.

Other than that, I generally agree with what is being said here. Only in extremely rare circumstances should the victim be grouped together with the aggressor as at fault. I believe that those pedophiles that rape and/or sexually abuse/harass children should be punished. Harshly.

[vvxtiopmx]

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Think about this is, murder an act of a sane person?
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Exactly, murder is usually done by people who aren't psychologically stable.
When it's an accident, or 'crime of passion', it's not murder but manslaughter.

People who plan to murder someone for months/yrs, and then go through with it,
are crazy. Just look at the assassins of JFK and John Lennon.

I'm not sure where that puts soldiers of war,
but it's no wonder they need eternal therapeutic consolation.
Killing someone is not a small ordeal.

Considering how society wants to sanction child molestation and murderers,
they are equal in severity and should go to the same place;
which imho is an institution for the criminally insane.
Sending insane people to prison is useless,
they won't learn anything by it,
and it would make it ok to send children to prisons aswell.

[hwood]

A good spanking and the removal of some fingers.

[spklnraz]

Then what would you do with them?

With who? Children who commit crimes?
To a juvenile correction facility,
where they are socialised into society like proper adults.

Insane people usually go to asylums.
Sane people don't go to asylums.
So when an insane person is corrected to fit the standard of society, he gets out. That's why it can be a life sentence, some people just never learn.

Sending a murderer to prison for 15yrs,
means that you'll have a murderer coming out of prison in 15yrs.
It doesn't help anyone.

Child molestors probably have some deep issues to deal with, being molested themselves, seeing it as normal, loving, behaviour. They need help. As do the children ofcourse, so that they don't become traumatised and go out to become sinister adults themselves.