[floadaVonfoli]

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[Ivanaishere]

Those supertankers are going to be increasingly important to the Canadian economy. China is a ****ing booming market. They're building a massively expensive pipeline from Alberta to BC to specifically load up supertankers and ship it to China.

Even the threat of doing this is ****ing up all kinds of ****.

[Frannypaync]

I can understand his swing to the left and the political reasons for doing it. It's just a 180 from a while ago where he recognized how valuable the oil sands are for Canada.

Now he's basically trying to cripple them.

[GOLAGLULT]

I can understand his swing to the left and the political reasons for doing it. It's just a 180 from a while ago where he recognized how valuable the oil sands are for Canada.

Now he's basically trying to cripple them.

He went through a brief period of reconciliation with AB but discovered what I pointed out in my previous post.

If Iggy were to walk on water Albertans would still vote for morons like Rob Anders rather than the local Liberal. It's just that simple.

[discountviagraman]

If Iggy were to walk on water Albertans would still vote for morons like Rob Anders rather than the local Liberal. It's just that simple. Iggy's writing off any Liberal seats in the west with this stunt. Even miss hot cross buns.

[Zhgpavye]

Yeah, a handful of ridings in non-hippie northern BC are disposable.

[IrrettelatWet]

No, he's not. It'll go over well with the hippie population in BC. BC doesn't have nearly as much to lose here as Alberta. The hippy population votes dipper or green. The only people who vote Liberal are the rich folks in kitsilano, and the immigrants. That's it. Hippies are dipper and green voters.

He's probably hoping to capitalize on NIMBYism due to the disaster in the gulf. BC voters are notoriously stupid and will fall for it. He's an out of touch idiot because we already have a moratorium on drilling. Someone should help him buy a clue.

Asher, even St. Ujjal nearly was defeated. Ujjal ****ing Dosanjh. Keith Martin hung on by the skin of his teeth.

The only seats he holds now besides the other two, are Ms Hot cross buns, Sukhi Dhaliwal, and Joyce Murray. That's it.

[intmarkworkk]

1 quatloo on 'no'

[P1international]

I'm making the point that you're an idiot.

Ignatieff isn't talking about drilling (which is banned), he's talking about banning tankers (which are not banned).

[Niiinioa]

We're arguing because you are an idiot.

You seem to have conceded you were an idiot and you still won't formally say it and retract.

[squicscor]

You repeatedly claimed Ignatieff is an idiot because we already have a moratorium on drilling.

You're an idiot because this has nothing to do with drilling.

Idiot. You are an idiot.

You.
Are.
An.
Idiot.

Idiot, you are.

[MrGunjMan_]

It seems you're actually both wrong, sort of.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/busines...megadrop_story
Ignatieff vows to formalize B.C. moratorium on oil tanker traffic

By Scott Simpson , Vancouver Sun June 21, 2010

VANCOUVER — The federal Liberals would formalize a moratorium on crude oil tanker traffic in British Columbia's northern coastal waters, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff announced Monday.


A moratorium on oil tanker traffic was first imposed for Dixon Entrance, Hecate Strait and Queen Charlotte Sound by the Pierre Trudeau Liberal government in 1972 — but it is informal at this point and would be brushed aside if a plan is approved to build a new pipeline from Alberta to the B.C. coast at Kitimat.


The National Energy Board is in the process of hearing an application from Enbridge Inc. to build a pipeline as well as a deep sea oil terminal at Kitimat where internationally bound tankers would be filled with crude oil from Alberta's oilsands.


B.C. First Nations have said they oppose the project and a recent Mustel poll found that 80 per cent of British Columbia residents support a ban on crude oil tanker traffic on the B.C. coast.


Oil tankers have been moving through southern coastal waters for a half century, carrying oil from a Kinder Morgan pipeline terminal in Burnaby at Burrard Inlet without a major spill.


Kinder Morgan contends in letter to the NEB that their own plans for pipeline expansion to their Burnaby terminal render Enbridge's project superfluous.


Ignatieff, in Victoria to announce Liberal policies to "protect" oceans and coastal communities, noted that some petrochemical traffic already operates through the Port of Kitimat but said his party would not allow that traffic to expand.


The moratorium would be formalized either through regulation, or legislation, "or both," the party said in a policy statement released by Ignatieff.


Some environmental groups reported that Ignatieff, in response to media questions Monday morning, agreed that the Liberal policy would make it impossible for Enbridge to proceed with its plans.


"The Liberal Party does not . . . support an increase in this traffic along the coastal waters of the Pacific North Coast, nor do we support crude oil tankers traversing these waters," the party policy document states.


"Fully opening B.C.'s coast to crude oil tankers creates the risk of a major spill, endangering wildlife and the livelihoods of dozens of communities who live in and around the coastline. To prevent an oil spill from ever occurring in the coastal waters of the ecologically sensitive Pacific north coast, a Liberal government would not allow an increase in tanker traffic in this region."

© Copyright (c) Canwest News Service

[bonyclayd]

http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/docum...document=39962

Many comments submitted on the draft Agreement focused on the issue of marine traffic and the perception that there is a moratorium on tanker traffic in the coast waters of British Columbia (B.C.). It is the Government of Canada’s position that there is presently no moratorium on tanker traffic in the coast waters of B.C. Tanker traffic currently exists in the Ports of Vancouver, Kitimat and Prince Rupert.

[Gerribase]

Not according to the Government of Canada, who I would deem the authority on the subject.

[rfceicizgm]

I'm not a big fan of the Herald.

[WapSaibian]

For those that don't know, this is why the ban is a big deal:

The Enbridge Gateway Pipeline project proposes a 1,170 kilometre pipeline to ship an average of 525,000 barrels of tar sands bitumen per day from Fort McMurray to Kitimat B.C. Approximately 225 oil tankers per year would then ship the tar sands product to Asia and California. An adjacent pipeline would move 193,000 barrels of "condensate" east from Kitimat to Fort McMurray (also known as diluent, the condensate is mostly imported from Russia and is necessary to keep the thick tar moving through the piping systems. Tankers are already bringing diluent to Kitimat, where it is now being sent to Alberta by train).

[Darnisg]

Sigh, Enbridge is closer to both China and to the Patch.

It's a good deal for a rather economically moribund area of the province, plus it increases traffic to Rupert. I'd be surprised if anyone associated with the Port of Vancouver were in favour of it's construction.

Thanks for the post, Asher. I really hope Enbridge goes through. It was an issue in the last provincial election, at least in the northern ridings.

[DoctorGordanBens]

The source of that quote is a ridiculously slanted left-wing website.

[QzVyZbTg]

For the record - I'm against any AB to BC oil pipelines. A pipeline direct from AB to ON would be acceptable.

[TeapseTic]

International pipelines are massive headaches. And much more expensive.