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Old 04-08-2010, 03:49 PM   #1
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Come September we're bumming rides from the Russians to the Space Station. How long before we're renting nukes from our future overlords?!
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Old 04-09-2010, 12:04 AM   #2
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I really hope Obama doesn't actually believe this.
I'll lay bets he does.
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Old 04-09-2010, 06:11 AM   #3
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I'd be happy if stockpile numbers could be reduced to a number somewhere shy of obscene.
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Old 04-09-2010, 07:29 AM   #4
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Why wouldn't it? Other nuclear reduction treaties has been ratified, with margins around 95-5 or so.
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Old 04-09-2010, 04:08 PM   #5
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I'll lay bets he does.
Madness.
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Old 04-09-2010, 04:12 PM   #6
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I thought some of the former soviet republics gave up nuclear arms to Russia?

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Old 04-09-2010, 04:40 PM   #7
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I thought some of the former soviet republics gave up nuclear arms to Russia?

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The Soviet Union had several succesor states.


If the US was to collapse and lets say Alaska, Utah and California where to give up weapons and hand them over to the New Union comprised of lets say 45 something states would that really be disarnament in any meaningfull geostrategical sense of the word or would it be just averted proliferation of nuclear weapons?
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Old 04-09-2010, 04:44 PM   #8
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I don't think the US would ever totally disarm as long as their are other countries who aren't willing to disarm. Nuclear disarmament depends on resolving several conflicts (Arab-Israeli conflict, India-Pakistan) because countries involved don't feel safe. Also there are countries who don't face any real threat but are paranoid (Russia?) and they won't commit to total disarmament unless their attitude changes. I think perceived safety is huge: South Africa got rid of its nukes after Cuban forces had pulled out of Angola and the Soviet Union was no longer seen as a threat.
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Old 04-09-2010, 07:41 PM   #9
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Anyone here who will define how much strategic nuke warheads the US *needs* assuming we have a situation where noone has a serious superiority in this field over the US that would it make necessary to get much more to keep a balance. Or are we still in a "we need much more nukes to stop a soviet-style tank flood coming towards Paris (since we don't have the best MBT)" mode?
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Old 04-09-2010, 08:41 PM   #10
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Anyone here who will define how much strategic nuke warheads the US *needs* assuming we have a situation where noone has a serious superiority in this field over the US that would it make necessary to get much more to keep a balance. Or are we still in a "we need much more nukes to stop a soviet-style tank flood coming towards Paris (since we don't have the best MBT)" mode?
Without at least a thousand warheads the Canadians would probably try something.
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Old 04-09-2010, 10:38 PM   #11
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Without at least a thousand warheads the Canadians would probably try something.
Won't help. We use stealth tactics and infiltration and nukes are too blunt an instrument to counter that. I mean, what are you going to do? Nuke LA? Oh wait...
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Old 04-09-2010, 10:48 PM   #12
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Yep, it's making for some funny Daily Show.
Link?
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Old 04-09-2010, 10:50 PM   #13
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I'm sure the treaty is entirely perfect and any criticism of it is just racist partisanship. Right? Everyone knows that Obama only does perfect stuff.


Mr Lavrov noted that the new pact explicitly acknowledged a direct link between offensive nuclear weapons and missile defence systems, and warned that his country could opt out if it felt threatened by US plans.

"Russia will have the right to abandon the Start treaty if a quantitative and qualitative build-up of the US strategic anti-missile potential begins to significantly affect the efficiency of Russia's strategic forces," he added.
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Old 04-09-2010, 10:53 PM   #14
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Bipolar? I don't get that.
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Old 04-09-2010, 10:57 PM   #15
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It seems to take a long time for former superpowers to give up the mentality. Like when France still tries to be important, which is kind of adorable.
Britain and Russia have the same problem.
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Old 04-10-2010, 01:19 AM   #16
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Come September we're bumming rides from the Russians to the Space Station. How long before we're renting nukes from our future overlords?!
The Russians or the Chinese or the Saudis? I'm still trying to figure out which it is...
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Old 04-10-2010, 02:30 AM   #17
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Come September we're bumming rides from the Russians to the Space Station. How long before we're renting nukes from our future overlords?!
We don't need a ride, we're sending bots.


The United States Air Force's secretive X-37B robotic space plane blasted off from Florida late Thursday on a mystery mission shrouded in secrecy for the U.S. military.

The unmanned military Orbital Test Vehicle 1 (OTV-1) – also known as the X-37B – lifted off at 7:52 p.m. EDT (2352 GMT) atop an Atlas 5 rocket on a mission that is expected to take months testing new spacecraft technologies.

The X-37B is a reusable robotic space plane built by Boeing Phantom Works. Its mission is being carried out under the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office with participation by NASA.

Key objectives of the space plane's first flight include demonstration and validation of guidance, navigation and control systems – including a "do-it-itself" autonomous re-entry and landing at California's Vandenberg Air Force Base with neighboring Edwards Air Force Base as a backup.

The X-37B is the first vehicle since NASA's space shuttles with the ability to return experiments to Earth for further inspection and analysis, Air Force officials said. [X-37B spacecraft photos.]

"This is a new way for the Air Force to conduct on-orbit experiments," explained Gary Payton, Air Force deputy under secretary for space programs, during a Tuesday press teleconference.

The designed maximum on-orbit duration for the X-37B is 270 days, Payton said. "In all honesty, we don't know when it's coming back for sure. It depends on the progress that we make with the on-orbit demonstrations," he added.

Thursday's launch capped a long road to orbit for the X-37B spacecraft. NASA initially began the project in 1999 and later transferred it to the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency (DARPA) in 2004 due to a lack of funding. The Air Force stepped in 2006 to take over the project.

Tight-lipped affair

Circling the Earth, the X-37B space plane has a full agenda of shaking out new technologies, including advanced guidance, navigation and control. Once the vehicle's payload bay doors open to space, power is provided by a deployable array of gallium arsenide solar cells coupled with lithium-ion batteries.

But after that action item is checked off, what else the X-37B will do becomes a tight-lipped affair.

"Actual on-orbit activities we do classify...for the experimental payloads that are on-orbit with the X-37," Payton said. There's enough payload room, he added as example, to house a couple of small satellites in the range of a few hundred kilograms each.

Given the X-37B's secretive duties, some analysts contend that the mission is provocative, perhaps fanning the flames for war in space.

"Truthfully, I don't know how this could be called 'weaponization' of space," Payton said. "Fundamentally, it's an updated version of the space shuttle kind of activities in space," he added, a new vehicle that could potentially help the Air Force do its space missions better.

Perhaps a key show and tell feature of the X-37B is its self-guided entry and landing in California. In the event the vehicle strays off course as it swoops down over the Pacific Ocean, the space plane is outfitted with a destruct mechanism.

The X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle 1 was built by Boeing in Seal Beach, Calif. It is about 29 feet (9 meters) long and has a wingspan of just over 14 feet (4 meters) across. It stands just over 9 1/2 feet (3 meters) tall and weighs nearly 11,000 pounds (about 5,000 kg).

This SPACE.com X-37B graphic illustrates some details of the space plane and its relative size.

The Air Force has already ordered a second X-37B, presumably the Orbital Test Vehicle 2, which is slated to launch in 2011. But that mission, and any new flights of this first vehicle, hinge on the performance during orbital and landing maneuvers, Air Force officials have said.

Tale of the V-tail

The X-37B carries two short vertical stabilizers in the back rather than one vertical as seen on the shuttle orbiter.

There were several reasons for the V-tail 'ruddervators'...a high-tech wordsmithing of rudder and elevator, explained Angie Blair, an Air Force spokeswoman for the project. For one, the short V-tails provide better packaging within the 5 meter in diameter Atlas 5 fairing than a single, taller vertical stabilizer, she said.

Secondly, the more forward wing location of the X-37B enables the V-tails to be very effective in the high angle of attack, hypersonic portion of the entry trajectory. That reduces the amount of reaction control system propellant needed for trim and control of the craft, Blair said.

As the craft draws a bead on its landing locale, a speed brake will be employed.

"A split ruddervators/speed brake like the space shuttle is not feasible in a small vehicle like the OTV," Blair noted. Aerodynamic testing and other studies, she said, led to the vehicle's upper center line speed brake and V-tail ruddervators as the best performing system solutions for the X-37B.

Readiness for re-flight

En route to the runway, new thermal protection systems will be evaluated. So too will be avionics, high temperature structures and seals, conformal reusable insulation, as well as lightweight electromechanical flight systems.

Even after touching down, the X-37B is to yield insight into fast turnaround, operations and maintenance. The craft does carry some vehicle health monitoring subsystems to speed its readiness for re-flight, Payton told SPACE.com.

"If these technologies on the vehicle prove to be as good as we currently estimate, it will make our access to space more responsive, perhaps cheaper, and push us in the vector of being able to react to warfighter needs more quickly," Payton concluded.
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Old 04-23-2010, 06:41 AM   #18
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So are Republicans still promising to block this since Obama signed it and therefor, according to the right wing, anything he does must be evil?
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