[duribass]

Of course, this is to be expected in a town founded on cattle rustling.

[arraxylap]

If the Oilers did end up leaving the tip they claimed they did, then I expect them to file a slander lawsuit in short order as it would be a slam-dunk case. Somehow I think this will never happen, for obvious reasons.

But, again, the main point is that the Oilers -- a group with at least 20 multi-millionaires at the table -- were abusive to wait-staff over their unexpectedly high liquor tab. There's absolutely NOTHING to indicate they were being "ripped off" -- the itemized receipts shown to the press show menu prices for every item on the receipt. The restaurant then gave them a discount after the fact, after the Oilers demanded a discount and made a scene. I notice you're not even contesting this last part, instead choosing to focus on attempting to sling mud at Calgary.

[yharmon6614]

For $6000?

This is why I think you have to be stoned.

Of course you call the cops! Unless, of course, you are the guilty party. Then police not so much.

This is ridiculously stupid. Let me show you how stupid this argument is.

If the Oilers thought they were being ripped off $6000, why didn't THEY call the police? Unless, of course, you are the guilty party. Then police not so much.

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[TheBest-Host]

This is ridiculously stupid. Let me show you how stupid this argument is.

If the Oilers thought they were being ripped off $6000, why didn't THEY call the police? Unless, of course, you are the guilty party. Then police not so much.

[/thread win]

They got the bull reduced to the bill. They did not need to call the cops.

The fact that the players stood their ground when the ****trumpet threatened the poilice tells me a lot.

[beriarele]

Actually, if you talk to people who have worked in the industry, they will tell you there are many establishments that will pad bills. This is not uncommon.

What is uncommon is a ****tard who decides to try to gain publicity out of a failed attempt to jack up some rich and famous people. All he has done is put up a very large sign in neon letters that says 'stay away, stay far away.'

[girlsround]

Actually, if you talk to people who have worked in the industry, they will tell you there are many establishments that will pad bills. This is not uncommon.

What is uncommon is a ****tard who decides to try to gain publicity out of a failed attempt to jack up some rich and famous people. All he has done is put up a very large sign in neon letters that says 'stay away, stay far away.'

You seem to live in another world tonight. The vast majority of user comments in the news articles around the Canadian newsmedia are highly critical of the Oilers, not the restaurant. It's the Oilers fans who are scoffing and saying "I don't believe it! The Oilers are saints, it must be the restaurant".

Fortunately, this business does not operate in Edmonton.

BTW, are you going to keep ignoring the salient point here? I see you are passively accepting the notion that the Oilers were abusive. You now seem to be defending them for being abusive because you see the restaurant owner as a scammer. This is what this thread is all about: the class of Edmontonians.

[ServiceColas]

It tells you nothing except the owner probably did the math and realized that the NHLPA/Daryl Katz/Oiler organization/multimillionaire players could legally get away with doing whatever the **** they wanted given their money. You act like the police would've done something other than refer the case to a court of law to decide, which no one wants. The Oilers have team lawyers they don't need to pay extra to make this go away, the restaurant would need to spend thousands of dollars retaining a lawyer's service to try to get $6000 out of the Oilers? Come the **** on... That's why the police were not actually called.

This doesn't require deep thinking.

Besides, as my last post indicated, I've already won the thread.

It's called theft. They charge you. If you are a merchant and you are right, you call the cops.

[freflellalafe]

It's called theft. They charge you. If you are a merchant and you are right, you call the cops.

Are you ****ing serious? The vast majority of merchants don't even charge shoplifters. Why? It's more expensive to do so than to just catch them in the act and ban them from entering in the future.

It is NOT theft if it's a "our word against theirs" situation. The Oilers can say "we expected the billing to be done per bottle", the restaurant can claim this was never agreed, then the cops say "a judge can decide" and that's that.

You very clearly have no understanding of how the Canadian legal system works.

[CxofxJFm]

I am clearly no match for your circular logic. It is impenetrable. Congratulations.

For homework, look up the word "demonstrate" in the dictionary (if you can find one in Edmonton?)

Then think about what you'd need to demonstrate that the man was a liar. For starters, you would need to see the original, signed "merchant copy" that whoever paid for the dinner signed and filled a tip out on. Considering no one has seen this in this thread, you have a remarkably weak definition of "demonstrate" in addition to your remarkably week understanding of the Canadian justice system.

[FallJimerks]

They have the authority to lay charges.

aka, drag the case out into a lawyer battle in the court system for months on end.


Think about it for a second. Yes. Let's think why a small, family-owned restaurant may be hesitant to go head-to-head with the combined lawyers of the NHLPA, multi-millionaire players, the Edmonton Oilers, and potentially even a billionaire in Daryl Katz. Why would they not want to go down the legal battle route?

As a sidenote, it's my understanding that this would be a civil/tort issue (and not 'theft' as you keep mumbling). The room was booked by the Oilers in advance and it becomes a civil issue as one side claims the other agreed something, and the other disagrees. They would certainly not be charged with 'theft', particularly if the Oilers never left the premises.

[Reafnartefs]

How about two documents produced by him for the media to report on, and the one that shows an amount of $12K, which is reported to be the final amount paid, shows an $1888 grat?

Again, for the last ****ing time ...we don't know who wrote that. It's very plausible that the owner wrote that out to work out what the mandatory tip was SUPPOSED to be. It's also a fact that the copy we saw is NOT signed and is NOT legally binding.

It demonstrates absolutely nothing but your blind loyalty for the Oilers. It could VERY WELL be that the Oilers DID pay a tip, and the guy did lie (even though I've seen no direct quote from him about the tip situation, just an unquoted statement in the CanWest article), but to call this incontrovertible proof so as to call him a "demonstrable liar" is ridiculous.

[carpartsho]

It is his own ****ing document. It shows just short of $10K plus GST. The grat is ****ing written in! It corresponds to the amount paid!

He's holding a giant pile of receipts all related to the dinner. We know for a fact that they went through several 'versions' of the receipt before the Oilers finally ended up paying anything. By your OWN ADMISSION, the documents he's holding up are signed by NO ONE and as such are NOT legal.

What don't you get?

[TorryJens]

The itemised bill in CTVs report shows the grat.

ITEMIZED BILLS, LET ALONE UNSIGNED ITEMIZED BILLS, DO NOT DEMONSTRATE WHAT WAS ACTUALLY PAID VIA CREDIT CARD.

This concept cannot be any simpler.

[pXss8cyx]

FWIW, the answer to the title is 'None of the above', as demonstrated by this thread.

[BartRonalds]

You're ****ing nuts.

It's his own ****ing document, and it is the only one that matches what was paid!

How do we know the $18K was not for a single BigRipOff Burger? The ****tard produced the itemised bill of how it got up to $14xxx plus GST plus grat (assumed).

Dude. Can you do the math?

What's 14xx plus GST plus mandatory 18% grat?

Do you want a hint?

He then produced the itemized chit that comes to 9xxx plus GST, and the grat is written in, and it comes to the $12xxx that was paid! You, you, you... Calgarian! That is possible but not factually demonstrated. In fact, the unsigned Merchant's receipt clearly shows zero for the tip but it was also never signed.

I'm just pointing out that if you are to call the man a demonstrated liar, you need to demonstrate it. It's quite possible the Oilers did pay tip -- but that is not the point, as I've said repeatedly. The only source that mentions they didn't pay tip is the Edmonton Journal and it's an unquoted segment of the article -- the journalist who wrote it may have made a mistake (being confused by the empty tip on the merchant's receipt?).

In any case, we lack:
1) a direct quote from the guy saying they never paid tip (unless you've found one?)
2) a signed merchant's receipt showing exactly what was paid

Given this, we cannot say the guy was a demonstrable liar and we ALSO cannot discredit his claim that the Oilers were abusive. We all ****ing know how hockey players can be, so don't pretend like it's impossible. For **** sakes...

[Diandaplaipsy]

It's from the ****ing CTV report!

He claimed there was no grat.

His own ****ing document shows a grat of $1888!

And you are full of ****. The very first CTV report out of Calgary had him claiming there was no tip paid. It is repeated by the TSN report you yourself linked. Only the Journal my ****ing ass! (No, that is not an invitation, you pervert!)

The fact is that there is only the claims of a self-demonstrated liar that the Oilers players were abusive. Oh, and he's apparently going to give $18K to charity because he is so steamed!

Conned much?

[Reocourgigiot]

You just introduced that 'only the Journal' reported the lack of a grat, councillor, when it is in the TSN story you yourself introduced into evidence.

You aren't very good at this.