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Old 09-13-2009, 05:30 AM   #21
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Wiglaf. That's who.

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Old 09-13-2009, 05:40 AM   #22
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Free speech
Money is not speech.
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Old 09-13-2009, 01:31 PM   #23
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And thus left and right come to agreement and friendship. THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE, CONGRESS
Aren't you still a commie? And a godless muslim one, at that.
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Old 09-13-2009, 03:38 PM   #24
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McCain lost the Republican primary in 2000 because Rove lied and told people McCain had been miscegenating with a black women. True story.
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Old 09-13-2009, 05:05 PM   #25
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No doubt.
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Old 09-13-2009, 05:08 PM   #26
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McCain lost the Republican primary in 2000 because Rove lied and told people McCain had been miscegenating with a black women. True story.
True except perhaps the word "because." Do your really have any evidence of how many people actually stopped dead in their tracks and changed their vote solely as a result of that unfounded rumor? Or was it just bullshit circulated amongst fringe nutcases who had already made up their minds anyway, just like long forms, death panels, etc.? You have no way of knowing, do you?
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Old 09-13-2009, 05:20 PM   #27
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I do know he lost in North Carolina, where he was expected to win, because of a last minute shift in the polls. A shift which exactly coincides with Rove's last minute attacks about McCain having a half black baby. That sudden shift and lose where he was expected to win pretty much killed McCain's campaign. I'm sure most of the Bush voters had already made up their minds, as you've said, but I can't help but feel such attacks were part of the last minute shift which gave Bush the victory in NC.
So the answer is "no" then. Just checking.
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Old 09-14-2009, 08:04 AM   #28
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at VJ schooling Oerdin.

It was indeed South Carolina where McCain lost to Bush early on and the push polling tricks by Rove were pulled. However, whether or not those tricks were what actually pushed Bush over the top, no one can really know.
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Old 09-14-2009, 09:12 AM   #29
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No, he probably knew it. After all, South Carolina has the important primary of the two Carolinas because its so early.
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:26 AM   #30
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That doesn't follow.

Zk, you're REALLY bad at this 'logic' thing.
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