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Old 05-16-2009, 01:31 AM   #21
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I don't think that's possible. Alterna-Locke is whatever was trapped in what we thought was Jacob's cabin; note the gap in the ash ring surrounding the cabin that allowed whatever was inside to escape. The smoke monster appeared all over the island during the period when the ash ring was still intact and whatever was inside the cabin was still trapped there, so the smoke monster isn't Alterna-Locke. It does seem to be interested in helping Alterna-Locke though, per its instructions to Ben. Do we know when the ash was broken?

Plus, we have the clues. Ben couldn't summon the smoke monster, instead of the smoke monster coming out, Locke came out of the jungle. When Ben went to be judged by the smoke monster, the monster didn't appear until Locke went to go look for some rope.
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Old 05-16-2009, 02:58 AM   #22
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Well, to be fair, he could have turned into smoke and worked his way under the grate from somewhere else. That isn't proof he isn't the smoke.


I don't think Richard came on the Black Rock. "Ricardus" sounds much older than the Black Rock.
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Old 05-16-2009, 03:02 AM   #23
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"Ricardus" sounds much older than the Black Rock.

"Ricardus" is just Latin for "Richard". We already know that all the Others are taught to speak Latin, which may mean that Jacob has a preference for the language. It seems pretty silly to assume Richard is Roman (when there's never been a Roman connection on the show before) when it's more likely that Jacob just told Ilana to ask for Ricardus.
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Old 05-16-2009, 03:14 AM   #24
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I guess we have to assume that the help Jacob asked of Ilana was to bring Sayid back. Did he want to make sure that Sayid shot Ben, or does he have other plans for Captain Kickass?
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Old 05-16-2009, 03:16 AM   #25
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I'm not certain he was on the boat, but it seems like the most likely option based on what we know at this point.
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Old 05-16-2009, 04:17 AM   #26
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Dude, Frank may be a drunk, and a burnout, but dumb he ain't. Frank ****ing rules. "Crashed? What the hell kind of pilot do you think I am? I set her down safe and sound right over there." One of my favorite moments of the fourth season.


Also, I didn't mention it before, I really liked the resolution we got with Bernard and Rose. We almost certainly won't be seeing them again, and that's okay. They had a great last scene.
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Old 05-16-2009, 04:40 AM   #27
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No, doubtful. Adam and Eve were significantly more decomposed than Bernard and Rose would be, even if they died right after The Incident. So said Jack anyway, I think he said the bodies had to be at least 50 years old.

It's possible it could be retconned as them, which would be okay. I've gotten less interested in that particular mystery as the show has gone on.
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Old 05-16-2009, 06:00 AM   #28
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Supernatural entities can't transport?

This isn't Star Trek. Also, there's no evidence that the smoke monster is supernatural.
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Old 05-16-2009, 07:58 AM   #29
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And, Yes, Frank is ... a "candidate"
Yeah, what do you think that meant? He was a "candidate" for Blackshirt-in-disguise? "Candidate" for Smokey-bait? Or something less sinister and threatening to him (I fervently hope)?
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Old 05-16-2009, 08:01 AM   #30
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How does something mechanical scan someone's thoughts and emotions and play it back to them?

Smokey is like a mega-MRI from the future?
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Old 05-16-2009, 08:11 AM   #31
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The world loves a smartass, Drake.
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Old 05-16-2009, 08:27 AM   #32
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I had a thought driving home from Grand Rounds this morning. Don't know why this flew into my head, but stay with me:

Remember the outrigger shootout, when Real Locke and crew were bouncing through time? Locke's gang grabbed an outrigger with an Ajira water bottle from their original camp, which was in a considerable state of disrepair. Soon after, they were being fired upon by a mystery group in another outrigger. Our heroes fired back, and someone (can't remember if it was Sawyer or Juliet) capped one of them.

The immediate speculation was that the mystery crew was the Oceanic Six, which didn't make sense as the O6 isn't exactly a shoot-first, ask-questions-later group. Then, people thought it was Ilana and her "Shadow" team. But it now appears that they are on the side of the angels, so again that doesn't make sense.

How about this: following the Big Boom, the Dharma crew zips back to 2007, and heads to their beach. Sawyer, still grief-stricken, sees himself and the others steal the one boat, and thinks: if I can stop Locke from turning the wheel, we won't go back to 1977, and Juliet won't get blown the **** up. So he comes up with some story to the rest of the Dharma crew, hops into the other boat, and tries to shoot Locke. And gets his ass shot (and possibly killed) by his own self (or Juliet, can't remember). And once again we see whatever happened, happened.
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Old 05-31-2009, 02:47 AM   #33
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Ah, I'll believe that is the official word when Lindelhof or Cuse says so. Network recaps have been wrong in the past.

Still, I'm fine with Taweret. Fits thematically.
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Old 05-31-2009, 07:11 AM   #34
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I caught up with Lost this week, watching all of season 5. I think it was one of the strongest seasons - the story moved along at a good pace, introducing and solving several mysteries even though it was only 17 episodes. It really seems to be picking up pace now that the flashback/flash forward sequences are playing a smaller role.

I can see why some people hate it but it's pretty unique with some interesting characters and I think it's pretty unmissable. Can't wait for season 6.
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Old 06-07-2009, 04:53 PM   #35
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Random thoughts on plot:
Why can't Widmore get back to the island? It seems it can be found using Eloise's device, and Widmore's team found it (either through that or independently).
Isn't that an issue of "penance" with the island after he was cast off the island?
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Old 06-07-2009, 06:28 PM   #36
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Well, one half of the Island entity threatened Ben's life if he betrayed it, and the other half was killed by Ben.

Given that track record, I'm not surprised Widmore thinks he "can't go back".




A few questions linger for me--did Hawking know that Locke's identity would be hijacked by the Dark One/Other/Adams From 'Deadwood'? She pushed for his body to be on the plane pretty hard. Or was she in league with Ilana and her "Shadow of the Statue" crew, who took the corpse to Richard? Baffling.

They didn't change history. Whatever happened, happened. Dead is dead. They didn't change ****. They brought Ethan Rom into the world; they caused Dharma to evacuate the women and children, estranging Miles from Chang; they caused the Incident, setting the whole shitstorm into motion.

"They're coming." Jacob's dying words, telling the Other that Jacob's (literally) hand-picked alpha force (Jack, Kate, James, Hugo, Sayid, Jin, Sun, Ilana) are reuniting in 2007 and going to "end things." ("It only ends once; everything before that is progress.")

This show kicks so much ass.
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