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Old 02-07-2009, 03:01 AM   #1
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Default TCO is causing a confrontation at work and needs Ming style consultation
Do you want to keep your job or not. Corporate heads aren't known for compassion when it comes to insubordination.

If you do and continue to insist on refusal, have someone above you with influence back you up. A friend of mine started blowing off meetings from his boss b/c they were having meetings just before they went home and then had one in the morning when they arrived, and he was giving the same report in the morning he gave at night, which interfered with his work. His manager stuck up for him and the morning meetings were canceled, and he kept his job, even though his boss was royally peeved at him.
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Old 02-07-2009, 03:21 AM   #2
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Right now, the VPGM (over billion dollar responsibility) and my bosses boss has said through others but not to me, that dire steps will be taken if I stand firm. What do y'all think? Man up and look the dude in the face and let it play out? Or puss out? Have had sevearl calls from old bosses, sponsors of current work, current boss, etc. asking me to knucle under.
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Old 02-07-2009, 03:28 AM   #3
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TCO, do you do project management at all?

You're a really sharp guy and I could all but guarantee I could land you a position in NY or Toronto if you needed one doing project management work (we're looking for PMs in both, as well as Dubai). You'd fit right in at my company, and the CEO & President are very much your kind of people.
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Old 02-07-2009, 03:43 AM   #4
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I might need one, Ashie. Am surprised that you are ok. Was worried with banking sector tankage. I can program manage fine (in general, in theory, for change management, overall programs with business emphasis). I am totally light on computer crap, but if you can horse me up on how to play make believe or even just admit low level of knowledge (but general ability to contribute) we might have a spot.

When do you need the person?

What is the day rate?

How do we leverage general all around middle fielder abiliites while minimizing lack of gomputer tech?
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Old 02-07-2009, 03:49 AM   #5
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I might need one, Ashie. Am surprised that you are ok. Was worried with banking sector tankage. I can program manage fine (in general, in theory, for change management, overall programs with business emphasis).
My company's all but abruptly left the banking sector. We still got some big contracts with some big players like Barclays, but they're legacy stuff and we're not hunting for more work there. Right now our big ticket is government work (from state education stuff to DoD) and we're huge on MS partnership. Our problem right now is Microsoft is referring so much business to us we actually can't keep up, we're turning down lucrative projects for big names just because we can't staff them -- particularly the management side of things (Project Managers & Team Leads). And they are exceptionally picky about who they do pick.

I am totally light on computer crap, but if you can horse me up on how to play make believe or even just admit low level of knowledge (but general ability to contribute) we might have a spot. Doesn't matter -- just admit low level of knowledge. It's a full-out project management office and position, it's more about general intelligence and communication skills. Any tech stuff you'll need to know, you can go right to the team lead/architect on the project who handles all of the technical stuff. They report to you and you just manage the project (manage expectations, resourcing, budgeting, negotiation, etc).

When do you need the person?

What is the day rate? Person is needed ASAP. It's a smallish company, 200 people in about 5 cities right now...agile is the name of the game. Their mentality is if there's an intelligent person that fits with the company's attitudes, they nab them. There's no hiring cycles or specific projects they're hiring for, they always want more. I do know specifically right now Microsoft's throwing tons of projects down our throats and we have to decline many of them, so they would like to have the resourcing ASAP.

I can't speak for the day rate (it's not my department). I can hook you up with the head of HR/resourcing and go from there. It might be tricky for them to get past the initial screen if you don't have any PM work specifically on the resume but I can talk to her and work something out, maybe.

How do we leverage general all around middle fielder abiliites while minimizing lack of gomputer tech? The department is full of people without computer tech experience. You're not expected to really know or need to know much of it. The project architect and/or team lead handle all of that, PMs handle the business side of things.

It's a serious offer to hook you up if you need it...we can talk more via PM/IM/email if you want.
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Old 02-07-2009, 04:01 AM   #6
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And would you be up for Dubai? If you were up for Dubai, which is the hardest to staff, the odds of getting hired really skyrocket.
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Old 02-07-2009, 04:12 AM   #7
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Dude...the whole thing sounds like worth doing just for a lark. Would round out my paperboy, submarine officer, ski instructor background.

Dubai...I mean...it's possible. Sounds harsh. I asked a PM for Richmond City (ACS I think) who I drink with at happy hour for you a couple weeks ago and he passed on Dubai. Could I free lance on the weekend and go after the 50 mil? NY or Toronto sound a lot more socially friendly.

Totally ballsy offer to pass the resume and who knows. If you want and are discrete, I can pass one to you by PM. FYI. I'm actually not terminated yet. We still need to reach the climax of the drama.
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Old 02-07-2009, 04:15 AM   #8
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I don't know you real well, but I think you would be happiest being aggressive and in a rising position. Sometimes that means you have to possibly switch companies where you can go up.

Don't know all that much about your situation though, I still really only speak academic.

JM
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Old 02-07-2009, 04:20 AM   #9
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I'd rather show you the resume so you can send little teams of ninja 10 inch homo pixies after me.

Sorry...am four in...and they are playing Bizarre Love Triangle I*favorige sotng of all time on the rando.. I get donw on me nees and pray.
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Old 02-07-2009, 04:23 AM   #10
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Oh...I got it. No sweat. I'm too lazy and ballsy to lie.
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Old 02-07-2009, 06:02 AM   #11
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Well, hell, if you're already on their list and they are looking for reasons to fire people I can assure you they'll let you go if you stand up to them. Egos at that level are too big to tolerate dissent and they also fear more of the same from others if they let you slide. At least you can go to them now and say "so what? I have another job lined up if you can me."

It doesn't sound like you'll be happy if you do knuckle under and maybe Asher's offer will work for you. Just keep in mind that at some point they also will ask you to do something you don't want to do. That's just how it is.
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Old 02-07-2009, 01:11 PM   #12
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Choose where you will make your stand and hunker down when that line is reached. While this is good advice for all of us, I can hardly believe that your personal Rubicon is a silly training class. So I would take the class. The fact that they want you to punch that button may indicate you'll be around a while longer.

Companies generally make assertions to governments about the coverage of certain types of training. This gets the company out of certain scrutiny and inspections. However, the company has to deliver on its traing coverage claims. The point you are trying to make (whatever it is) fades with effectiveness the higher up in the company it goes. Those guys just decide what percentage of personnel go at what time to what city. Doesn't matter who goes to a given class, but it does matter that everyone takes the course in a certain timeframe. So just go.
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Old 02-09-2009, 06:23 PM   #13
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Hey TCO, I have a "Janitorial Technician" position you can fall back on. Do you know how to reconfigure floor-bound glycocholic & taurocholic acid?

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Old 02-09-2009, 07:39 PM   #14
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Hmm, bothers me that they are assigning some to go in for this and not others. Seems to me like favouritism if you have 4 managers, and only 2 have to go in while the other 2 are exempt.

I agree with Theben, they may be pushing this as a means to get rid of you and go from there. Since you've mentioned that your group is performing well, my guess is that one of the other two who aren't going has gone up to the higher ups and said something like you aren't doing the standard training, and put questions as to your competence. Higher ups tut-tutted, but figured that training would be sufficient to alleviate the concerns of one of the 2. One of the 2 is doing this out of self-preservation, wants to put the bulls-eye on you because your group has better performance, and he doesn't want to be the manager under the knife for performance.
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Old 02-09-2009, 08:37 PM   #15
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Ben got laid off?

Good. Maybe you'll have time to consider the error of your ways...

TCO, if you lose your job, again good riddance.
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:35 PM   #16
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Cancelled? Shouldn't that be aborted?
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:46 PM   #17
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I would apply, but I don't fancy working in either N. America or Dubai...

Let me know if you have an opening in Cardiff.
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Old 02-09-2009, 11:11 PM   #18
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Yeah, never stand on principle unless you have another job lined up already. Especially in this economy.
I've done both before and trust me, it's a hell of a lot more satisfying when you tell them to stick it if you can tell them that you already have something else lined up.
Of course, I've been married for over 20 years so what the hell do i know about principle or standing up for it.
The best is to have something lined up and you've done a good job so they offer you a package for you to leave. Double dip. YAY
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Old 02-09-2009, 11:13 PM   #19
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London? No thanks, it took me to leave the place to realise what a shithole it is...

I fear now that I have spent too much time away to ever be able to stomach going back.
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Old 02-09-2009, 11:36 PM   #20
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That's what they like to think.

Cardiff will be the capital of England next week if only just for Saturday...
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