[antonyandruleit]

Yeah, who thought it would be a good idea to award a degree called a B.S.

[blohannaserri]

Wait, you actually use the school's bookstore?

[dabibibff]

I used to meet with the profs and make course materials packages.

They were just as frusterated with bookstores either not ordering the books, ordering them in insufficient numbers and charging exorbitant prices.

Having a tailor made course material package meant less reading, the prof could have readings that they wanted, and the students saved a considerable amount. What would cost 150+ dollars, I could do for 30.

Made good money doing that at university. Most of the work was in making a master copy, but once that was done, it was easy to take orders and copy all the rest at about 5 bucks or so.

[casinobonuswer]

And that's why we have course book library in the Uni.

Or you can just buy the books form store, used, whatever. Or torrent them. Then again, wasn't Space from US, the country not so known for its splendid education system? You know? The LIBRARY HAS THE BOOKS ALREADY, adn enough for all or at least most students.

Besides, most material is prepared so as to not have the book as a requirement. There's other material handed out. Of course you should read the book if you're interested in it, but since when were courses about one or two WHOLE books from page 1 to the last page? Exactly. So you don't need them. Just parts of them.

And is your college teaching books? IN here at least it's on the topic, books are for reference. I don't know about you, but it seems to me that you need to come to the age of electricity.

ALso, what BK said.

[DavidQD]

And that's why we have course book library in the Uni.

I'm still new to the whole college thing, only in my second term. I'll have to check out the library tomorrow if my books aren't ready to pick up in the morning.

Unfortunately in all of my classes so far the teachers/professors/wtfevers assign readings on the syllabus without a hint as to what those pages contain. For example all I see is; 1/14/09 Read "I like bananas" pg. 1-10. They then expect you to know what was contained on those pages as they usually discuss it at the beginning of the next class.

I guess it's also worth mentioning it is a community college with small classes. It's more like grown-up high school than university.


Wait, you actually use the school's bookstore?

Yes, it's convenient and not much more expensive than going to an off campus bookstore or ordering online.


Just to clarify I was ranting in the op. I don't really think they are ****tards, well, I'm sure some of them are.

[datingcrew]

Since the professors didn't make money on used book sales, they used to make a few changes so they could rerelease the text book, (which they wrote) to force people to buy NEW.

And that's why we have course book library in the Uni.
You know? The LIBRARY HAS THE BOOKS ALREADY, adn enough for all or at least most students.

Both of these were common when I was at university: the lecturers would centre their lectures around books they had written, but some of the students knew that the majority of the content was stolen, and that you'd get better marks if you turned up to seminars with your own ideas, rather than those the lecturer had preached and written well before you even arrived at university. So if you could turn up to a seminar with your own ideas, and the ability to defend them, then it wouldn't matter what the lecturer had written.

Following on from Pekka, I discussed my proposed essay with my tutor two months before it was due, and went to the library the next day to get the book upon which it was based the next day, only to find my tutor had taken the book out himself. The tutors got to keep the book for three months, and since he'd disappeared to Wales for the holidays (early), there was no chance of my getting the book back in time to write the essay I'd planned. Fortunately, student cards in the UK allow you to enter any university library, and I was fortunate enough to be able to go to Newcastle Uni's library during the Easter break, find the books I needed, and write two 1st-rated essays in a week.

[Centurnion]

The particular class I wanted the book for is intro to psych. I don't need to belittle the teacher any, he does it so well himself. He has a PhD in Psychology and has never practiced or done studies, he got his PhD and went straight to teaching. Which is fine I suppose, but he still calls himself a psychologist. As far as I'm concerned he's still a student, just higher up on the ladder. It's like reading an operators manual for a piece of large machinery and never operating it.


the lecturers would centre their lectures around books they had written, but some of the students knew that the majority of the content was stolen, and that you'd get better marks if you turned up to seminars with your own ideas, rather than those the lecturer had preached and written well before you even arrived at university. So if you could turn up to a seminar with your own ideas, and the ability to defend them, then it wouldn't matter what the lecturer had written.

Good idea. I have the wrong idea so ingrained in my mind it's difficult to think differently. In my mind what I need to do is learn what the teacher tests for so I can pass the test. I guess that's really only cheating myself though, which will hurt me when I move on to an actual university.

[antiggill]

The particular class I wanted the book for is intro to psych. I don't need to belittle the teacher any, he does it so well himself. He has a PhD in Psychology and has never practiced or done studies, he got his PhD and went straight to teaching. Which is fine I suppose, but he still calls himself a psychologist.

1) Psychologist != psychiatrist; he shouldn't have ever had a patient on his couch

2) He has done some amount of original research, by virtue of the fact that he got a PhD.
1) Psychiatrist = Psychologist with a prescription pad.

2) Driving a car once or twice does not make you a CIA wheelman. Experience goes a long way to refining knowledge.

3) I still respect that he has a PhD and that that is a difficult thing to achieve. I just think he needs to stop calling himself a psychologist when he isn't. Or at the very least drop it at saying "I am a psychologist..." and not go on to say "...even though I've never practiced or done studies!"

[Assunkkensatt]

1) Psychiatrist = Psychologist with a prescription pad.

No. You're an idiot. Psychiatrists go to med school, psychologists go get a PhD.

2) Driving a car once or twice does not make you a CIA wheelman. Experience goes a long way to refining knowledge. Personal experience with research doesn't typically make you a better instructor. Also, given who little you know about this in the first place I bet he does continually do research and publish and publish.

3) I still respect that he has a PhD and that that is a difficult thing to achieve. I just think he needs to stop calling himself a psychologist when he isn't. Except that HE IS.

[rbVmVlQ2]

No. You're an idiot. Psychiatrists go to med school, psychologists go get a PhD.

Yes, but I was overgeneralizing just like you.

A practicing Psychologist is often called a therapist or counselor. They conduct sessions to help people realize problems they may have behaviorally as well as mentally. They then use discussion and training to help those same people overcome their problems, whether it be a phobia or an eating disorder.

A practicing Psychiatrist is often called a doctor or a shrink. They conduct sessions to help people realize problems they may have behaviorally as well as mentally. They then use discussion, training, and medication to help those same people overcome their problems, whether it be a phobia or an eating disorder.


Personal experience with research doesn't typically make you a better instructor. Also, given who little you know about this in the first place I bet he does continually do research and publish and publish.

Experience does make you a better instructor. Also, he outright said he does not do research, he teaches.


Except that HE IS.

Of course he is. Except he doesn't do the whole "-ist" part, you know that part where he does psychology.


You're an idiot

I'm really quite baffled that you all seem to forget this from time to time.

[Cvo1iRT0]

The problem is, from the bookstore's point of view, they are actually charging very little compared to the cost of the textbook. A normal book, say, The Davinci Code, a bookstore gets ~45% to ~55% discount on over retail, so if it is $15.00 retail the bookstore pays $7-$8 for it, and makes the rest in profit. You'd think college textbooks were a higher profit, as they're more expensive, right?

WRONG. College textbooks are ~5% profit for the bookstore, generally, unless they mark it up further than the retail price- and most don't. The printing houses and the professors who write them set the prices, and they set them at blatantly ridiculous levels. I remember an IR book I had to read, one of the classics, but about 70 pages (and small paperback, not a hardcover) - and it cost $70. $1 per page. The bookstore had a monopoly on all campus sales. They had deals with the registrar that they would ship you all your books ahead of time for added fees to your tuition at the start of each semester. Usually around 1000 dollars regardless of the actual book costs.

The book store routinely understocked (believing quite correctly that not all students would purchase). Many times they would just not have the book, meaning that students had to hunt around elsewhere. They just didn't care, because the university would not permit any competition to open on campus.

[JasminBerkova]

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Personal experience with research doesn't typically make you a better instructor. Also, given who little you know about this in the first place I bet he does continually do research and publish and publish.

Experience does make you a better instructor.

Can you read? Experience with research does not make you a better instructor. Experience with teaching does.


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Except that HE IS.

Of course he is. Except he doesn't do the whole "-ist" part, you know that part where he does psychology. What the hell is "doing psychology"? He's completed a graduate program of study in the subject, done some amount of original research, and now teaches the subject at a university.