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Originally posted by Asher
My time is valuable, I'm not wasting it on a fool's errand. Well you should sit quietly then, because even a google search would prove you wrong. Are you slowly turning into BK?

There's no way you can call this, in any way, a secular movement. A quick google would have kept you from appearing silly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
The modern movement was mainly secular in its origins, beginning largely as a response by European Jewry to antisemitism across Europe. It is a branch of the broader phenomenon of modern nationalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ins_of_Zionism
The Age of Enlightenment in Europe led to an 18th and 19th century Jewish enlightenment movement in Europe, called the Haskalah. In 1791, the French Revolution led France to become the first country in Europe to grant Jews legal equality. Britain gave Jews equal rights in 1856, Germany in 1871. The spread of western liberal ideas among newly emancipated Jews created for the first time a class of secular Jews who absorbed the prevailing ideas of rationalism, romanticism and, most importantly, nationalism. Ibid.
The Dreyfus Affair, which erupted in France in 1894, profoundly shocked emancipated Jews. The depth of antisemitism in a country thought of as the home of enlightenment and liberty led many to question their future security in Europe. Among those [...] Theodor Herzl, [...] He described the Affair as a personal turning point, Before the Affair, Herzl had been anti-Zionist; afterwards he became ardently pro-Zionist. In line with the ideas of 19th century German nationalism Herzl believed in a Jewish state for the Jewish nation. In that way, he argued, the Jews could become a people like all other peoples, and antisemitism would cease to exist. ibid.
Herzl's strategy relied on winning support [...] He also made efforts to cultivate Orthodox rabbinical support. Rabbinical support depended on the Zionist movement making no challenges to existing Jewish tradition. However, an opposition movement arose which emphasized the need for a revolution in Jewish thought.
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Under Herzl's leadership, Zionism won orthodox Jewish support. However, cultural and socialist Zionists increasingly broke with tradition and used language contrary to the outlook of most religious Jewish communities. As a result, many religious organizations opposed Zionism, both on the grounds that it was a secular movement and on the grounds that any attempt to re-establish Jewish rule in Israel by human agency was blasphemous, since (in their view) only the Messiah could accomplish this.
So sayeth lord Google from the holy scripture of Wikipedia.

As you can see, not only do I tear up people who make assertions in fields they know nothing about -- I also tear up people who make assertions in which they obsess over. Yes, I feel incredibly torn up

Admit defeat and go to bed.