[valiumcheapll]

'You don't care about me,' A fair assumption.

[shihoodiacarf]

Originally posted by Space05us
Until you start keeping our deserters we will keep your terrorists! perhaps you wanted to say "stop"?

[emingeRek]

Originally posted by Space05us
Why are we caring? He attacked US soldiers and killed one. Until you start keeping our deserters we will keep your terrorists! Most of the western world hasn't treated POWs that way for a long time. And whatever you say, he is one.
Being attacked, he dared to fight the troops, and actually killed one! Doing this not especially wicked, however he came into the situation. Try him for being a member of a terroritst organisation before an ordinary court, and consider how much autonomy the by-then 15-years old had over his choices. Killing an enemy soldier during a battle... bummer.
Furthermore, there's no way, he could have had serious information to hide that would at least be a fair end for a treatment that can't be justified anyway (torture). A teenage offender who cannot counsil with anybody, who can't defend himself properly or make someone else take up his interests.

It's a shame how the US (and growingly, most of the western world, see Italy's scandal judgement on the Genoa riots) shits on any standards and the state of law. No sympathy left.

[onlineslotetes]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
Just what convinces you we want our deserters back? i assume you want to punish them
perhaps put them in a prison where they will make bullets or something

[gariharlj]

I mean when John McCain was denied medical care by the North Vietnamese we called it torture and inhumane treatment so we should be honest enough to not do the same thing Omar for President of Canada?

[KJnbceja]

This isn't about law and jail time. People who want this guy released are acting like the fighting is over. Just a couple days ago an American outpost was overrun and several Americans killed. Until hostilities cease, there's no reason to repatriate fighters, whether he killed anybody or not.

And as far as Geneva goes, people who fight outside of uniform are not protected. They're considered spies, and for a good reason. When an army can't tell the difference between the enemy and civilians, civilians are much more likely to get hurt. I don't know for sure if he was wearing any sort of uniform, but I'm doubtful.

[rozneesitcn]

This isn't about law and jail time. People who want this guy released are acting like the fighting is over. Just a couple days ago an American outpost was overrun and several Americans killed. Until hostilities cease, there's no reason to repatriate fighters, whether he killed anybody or not.
If he is released to his mother's custody in Toronto he's not going to be fighting in Afghanistan...

As both the US and Canadian interrogators have said, they don't believe he is a threat to them. Why he's still being held hostage like they believe he is is a mystery.

There will never be an end to the hostilities in Afghanistan. That doesn't make it okay to hold a child in custody for years and torture him because he was doing what his father told him to do.

Additionally, all other citizens of Western countries have been repatriated except for Khadr. The Canadian government hasn't applied the same pressure as the others, but it should.

[i32I7qyH]

So, besides him saying so (which Al Queda trains them to say regardless), why are we assuming he was tortured. Certainly nobody is seriously going to maintain this video proves anything one way or the other.
Gee, I don't know.

Perhaps it's because it's already widely known it happens.
Perhaps it's because he had physical injuries on him sustained after he was captured (and he demonstrates these to the CSIS officers in the interrogation).

Why are you assuming he wasn't tortured?

There is absolutely nothing to cooroborate this, it basically comes from this kids testimony any that alone. In other words, it is baseless rumors. I prisoner claiming abuse, SHOCK!!!
Irony of ironies -- isn't this the same kind of evidence that says he killed the medic with the grenade? It's funny how it's acceptable in one case but not another.

[Njxatsbf]

Originally posted by Felch
How much do you trust her to keep him under control? It's not like these hajis are all that respectful of female authority. I would imagine he'd have a hard time leaving the country with his name in the database.

Torturing is wrong, but holding him isn't. Holding him indefinitely is wrong. He's been in captivity 6 years without a trial. That's wrong.

There's a lot of hysteria about Gitmo, but the fact remains that six and a half years ago Americans were murdered by a bunch of retrograde troglodytes. I have no sympathy for their cause and I wish them only misery, heartbreak, despair and death. I'm not sure you comprehend that when a 15 year old boy is dragged from the comfort of his Toronto home and is told to fight for something his father believes in, he has no choice. It was not his wish to go to Afghanistan, nor to fight. He also makes it clear they were supposed to be fighting the Northern Alliance and he was surprised to see the US there and didn't want to fight them.

There's a lot of signs here pointing to a boy whose father -- who was undeniably evil -- was forcing his eldest son to do things against his wishes. This is being combined with the evilness of the current US administration, which HAS tortured him and is now holding him for over 6 years without a simple trial.

This has wrong written all over it, regardless of your bloodthirst for revenge -- this kid didn't crash into the Twin Towers.

[KitRittyTug]

Originally posted by Asher
If he is released to his mother's custody in Toronto... His mother is the one that willingly enrolled her sons in AQ training camps and didn't even want her children raised in your country because they would have got involved in 'drugs and homosexual relationships.' Even if the little angel is released, do you really think she'd be the best one to have custody?

[avavavava]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
His mother is the one that willingly enrolled her sons in AQ training camps and didn't even want her children raised in your country because they would have got involved in 'drugs and homosexual relationships.' Even if the little angel is released, do you really think she'd be the best one to have custody? Source?

[banditorfv]

Looks like he didn't get into 'drugs and homosexual relationships.' in those camps.... *hides*

[Alexeric]

Your own article...

At another point during one of the interviews, Khadr raises his orange prison-issued shirt to show wounds that he says he sustained during the firefight. No, those wounds were not from torture. Even Omar himself says so.

[Mister.levitra]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Your own article...



No, those wounds were not from torture. Even Omar himself says so. http://alterwords.wordpress.com/2008...hadrs-torture/

Omar Khadr alleges serious mistreatment by his U.S. captors — including that he was threatened with rape and was used as a mop to clean up urine on his cell floor — in his first public comments since he was detained on an Afghanistan battlefield in 2002.

The Toronto-born accused terrorist, who was 15 when the U.S. government claims he lobbed a hand grenade that fatally injured a U.S. special forces soldier, also says he told a Canadian delegation in 2003 that the Americans “would torture” him — so he told them “whatever they wanted” to hear.

The first-person allegations are contained in eight typed pages of an affidavit Mr. Khadr, now 21, swore for submission to a war-crimes commission the United States established to try terror suspects following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

In preparation for public release, U.S. censors have blacked out certain portions, citing concern terrorists could discover — and presumably prepare to resist — specific interrogation techniques.

In one untouched passage, Mr. Khadr recalls how, at age 16, he was used as a mop after he had been cuffed in various contorted positions for at least an hour, and urinated on himself and the floor.

“Military police poured pine oil on the floor and on me,” Mr. Khadr says. “And then, with me lying on my stomach with my hands and feet cuffed together behind me, the military police dragged me back and forth through the mixture of urine and pine oil on the floor.”

He says he was refused a shower before being returned to his cell, and denied a change of clothing for two days. The same thing happened again “a few weeks later,” he adds.

Other Western countries have concluded deals with the United States leading to the repatriation of their nationals from the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but both the current Conservative administration and the Liberals before them have resisted doing the same for Mr. Khadr, making him the only Western detainee in Guantanamo.

This is all pretty damning stuff. The fact that the US government censors some of the stuff (presumably the worst of it) shows you they know it looks bad, too. The US has also notably, and famously, not refuted any of his allegations that were not censored.

[Kingerix]

Originally posted by Asher
If he is released to his mother's custody in Toronto he's not going to be fighting in Afghanistan...

From the article I posted, it's clear the son doesn't want anything to do with the mother and if he's repatriated to Canada, clearly won't be living with her. I believe the term soccer fans use is "Own goal."

[OWDavid]

It gets better.

The unconscious Khadr was airlifted to receive medical attention at Bagram, where interrogations began immediately after he gained consciousness approximately a week after his arrival, although he remained stretcher-bound for several weeks.[43] Fellow detainee Rhuhel Ahmed later issued a statement alleging that Khadr had been denied forms of surgery to punish him for not cooperating with military forces.[48] Later attempts to acquire darkened sunglasses to protect his failing eyesight were denied for "state security" reasons.[49]

On 30 August 2002, Canadian officials sent a diplomatic query to the United States requesting consular access to their citizen being held at Bagram. The request was denied ten days later, with a statement that Canada would be notified only if Canadian citizens were transferred to Guantánamo Bay.[50] Around this time he was visited by the Red Cross.[51][52]

Khadr states that he was refused pain medication for his wounds, that he had his hands tied above a door frame for hours, had cold water thrown on him, had a bag placed over his head and was threatened with military dogs, was flatulated upon, forced to carry 5-gallon pails of water to aggravate his shoulder wound. Unallowed to use washrooms, he was forced to urinate on himself.[43][50] His chief interrogator was Joshua Claus, who later pleaded guilty to abusing detainees to extract confessions following the in-custody death of wrongly-accused Dilawar that same year.[53]
Moazzam Begg
Moazzam Begg

A letter from the Canadian embassy was sent on September 13, stating that "various laws of Canada and the United States" required special treatment of Khadr due to his age, and requesting that the United States not transfer Khadr to Guantanamo.[54]

Khadr was interrogated again on September 17, and stated that he helped the militants because he had been told the United States was fighting a war against Islam.[55] When asked if he knew of a $1500 bounty being offered for each American soldier killed in Afghanistan, he responded that he had heard the story, but didn't know who was offering the reward. When asked how that made him feel at the time, the 15-year old stated "I wanted to kill a lot of American[s] to get lots of money".[55] Defence attorney Nathan Whitling later argued that it was "hardly convincing for the U.S. to suggest that in the midst of this battle, and after the entire site had been flattened by 500-pound bombs and everyone else in the compound killed, Omar was lying under the rubble thinking about how to earn himself $1,500."[55]

Khadr spent three months recuperating at Bagram. During that time he was often singled out for extensive labour by American soldiers who "made him work like a horse", referring to him as "Buckshot" and calling him a murderer. They claimed that he had thrown a grenade at a passing convoy delivering medical supplies.[56] He shared a cell with Moazzam Begg and ten others. He became conversational with guard Damien Corsetti, who was also one of his interrogators, and often spoke about basketball.[13]

He was transferred to Guantanamo along with Richard Belmar, Jamal Kiyemba and other captives on October 28, 2002, although Canadian officials were not notified as promised.[56][57] Shackled and fitted with surgical masks, painted-over goggles and ear protectors to ensure sensory deprivation, he recalled being kicked when he tried to stretch his legs.[13][43]

For most of 2003, Khadr had a cell next to British detainee Ruhal Ahmed and the two often discussed their favourite Hollywood films, including Braveheart, Die Hard and Harry Potter.[13] Ahmed later recalled that while some interrogations would see Khadr return to his cell smiling and discussing what movies he had been shown, other times he would return crying and huddle in the corner with his blanket over his head.[13]

In the early spring of 2003, Khadr was told "Your life is in my hands" by a military interrogator, who spat on him, tore out some of his hair and threatened to send him to a country that would torture him more thoroughly, making specific reference to an Egyptian Askri raqm tisa ("Soldier Number Nine") who enjoyed raping prisoners. The interrogation ended with Khadr being told he would spend the rest of his life in Guantanamo.[14] A few weeks later, an interrogator giving his name as Izmarai spoke to Khadr in Pashto, threatening to send him to a "new prison" at Bagram Airbase where "they like small boys".[14]

In all, Khadr has been reported to have been kept in solitary confinement for long periods of time; to have been denied adequate medical treatment; to have been subjected to short shackling, and left bound, in uncomfortable stress positions until he soiled himself.[64][65][66] Khadr's lawyers allege that his interrogators "dragged [him] back and forth in a mixture of his urine and pine oil" and did not provide a change of clothes for two days in March.[67]

At the end of March 2003, Omar was upgraded to "Level Four" security, and transferred to solitary confinement in a windowless and empty cell for the month of April.

On April 9 2008, a box of Khadr's documents was seized, ostensibly because items like a Lord of the Rings screenplay were prohibited, and the legal documents taken were returned a few days later. He was also ordered to cease playing dominoes or chess with his attorneys.[87]

[ButKnillinoi]

Originally posted by Felch
None of this really matters. The United States is entitled to detain a hostile fighter as long as hostilities persist. I don't give a **** what you think you're entitled to. Canada is entitled to demand repatriation of its citizen also, as other countries have done.

As far as his accusations of torture, I don't really care. You've made that clear, thanks.

Sometimes, people are just too primal.

If he really didn't want to fight the US, he could have snuck away and surrendered. We're not butchers
Oh, yeah, that'd be brilliant. Walk right up to enlisted US gung-ho forces that "don't care" if people are tortured and say "hey, my dad's a higher up at Al Qaeda. I wanna go home now!"

You can't be that stupid, Felch? Really... He would've been tortured and imprisoned even if he just surrendered. All it'd take is for them to accuse him of masterminding something without evidence, and voila...6+ years without a trial and counting.

[Anteneprorid]

I'm glad someone else noticed that too.

The bloodlust by some Americans is just too strong for reason. It's why their foreign policy is an epic failure, also...

[Sarah Armstrong]

As far as US forces mistreating people who peaceably surrender, well, I can't think of any cases off the top of my head. I think you grossly underestimate the professionalism and discipline of our military.
I think you overestimate it.



The vast majority of these people are enlisted teenagers/young adults from redneck or otherwise troubled backgrounds. **** happens.

We already know Khadr was treated inhumanely on many occasions, I don't even know why you're pretending like every US soldier -- especially those treating what they believe to be a "terrist" -- is professional about how they do their job.

[Ruiceara]

We also already know Khadr didn't peaceably surrender, so what's your point?
At what point was he given the opportunity?

His house was ****ing bombed with 2 500-lbs bombs.

Just to be clear, you really don't know what you're talking about.
Thanks, but you don't know what you're talking about. You're condoning torture of children, and that's all I need to know.