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Originally posted by BeBro
So basically Obama is the new Bush ![]() I especially like the suggestion that Obama's "army of persuasion" has to be based on what Bush did -- as if nobody else in the long history of American politics ever ran a grassroots campaign. Rove ![]() |
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Originally posted by Zkribbler
But Bush's main strategies (generalled by Rove) were to slander the other side and to lie about what Bush was planning: "I will be the Ecology President," "I will be the Education President." "I am a uniter, not a divider." Exactly! In a speech to the American Armenian Association before the elections he said that he would pursue their interests (vis-à-vis the Turks who claim there was no such thing as a genocide on Armenians back in 1915). After Bush's election he did - of course - nothing, and even somewhat insulted the Armenians in his yearly speeches to them by rephrasing the words he used before the elections: that what happened to the Armenians in 1915 was a tragedy and that it was all very unfortunate etc etc. Fact of the matter is that the Turks had Bush in their pocket cause they could cancel all kinds of weapon orders, US military bases in Turkey etc. Bush **** his pants. Bush lied. It is of course is merely one example out of thousands. Let's hope Obama doesn't make that same mistake. |
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Originally posted by Traianvs
Bush lied. It is of course is merely one example out of thousands. Let's hope Obama doesn't make that same mistake. They all lie. I like Obama, but they all lie. The further from the general election the bigger the lies, thus the regression to the center from both sides. They lie to get the nomination, then they lie to get elected, then they tell themselves that it's OK that they lied, because they had to to get themselves into the position to do even almost or a rough approximation of what they said they'd do. If they hadn't lied, they say, then someone else would be doing even worse things than the things they lied about saying they were going to do, but didn't. Politics 101 |
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Originally posted by -Jrabbit
This just in: Washington flip-flops; denies chopping down cherry tree. Washington never claimed to have chopped down a cherry tree. That little story was made up by one of my ancestors, Parson Weems, in his biography of Washington. Washington also made no claim of tossing a coin over the Potomac. Great-great-great grandpa was an awful liar. ![]() |
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Originally posted by Oerdin
That was my basic reaction too. Rove is trying to claim credit for something he was absolutely uninvolved in even tangentially. It's more than that. Rove is deperate to avoid being remembered as the guy who foisted the worst post-WWII president on America AND turned the GOP into a minority party for at least a generation. So he's also essentially saying, "hey, I didn't do anything Obama hasn't done." Nice try, Karl. ![]() |
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