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Old 05-04-2008, 02:58 AM   #1
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Default This is saddening. Hillary caught attempting voter surpression.
Nothing wrong with being drunk at this time of the day.
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Old 05-04-2008, 05:12 AM   #2
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Old 05-04-2008, 04:51 PM   #3
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The drunk person is the one who wrote that article. Oerdin is just having reality issues.
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Old 05-04-2008, 07:40 PM   #4
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I was playing football whilst drunk last night. I have two nasty gashes on my hand where I got tackled into a metal fence.
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Old 05-05-2008, 12:30 AM   #5
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Every month is masturbation month!
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Old 05-05-2008, 06:10 AM   #6
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What exactly?
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Old 05-05-2008, 06:40 AM   #7
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Obama wants to suppress Florida's voters
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Old 05-05-2008, 07:26 AM   #8
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Alice Palmer could have gotten the correct number of eligible voters. She was incredibly popular. She just got pretty much the minimum number of signatures and some of them just happened not to be eligible (big surprise in Chicago). She just didn't have the chance to get more signatures.
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Old 05-05-2008, 09:14 AM   #9
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Originally posted by Dauphin
I was playing football whilst drunk last night. I have two nasty gashes on my hand where I got tackled into a metal fence. Cage matches where it is a person versus the cage are always entertaining to watch
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Old 05-05-2008, 10:06 AM   #10
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Originally posted by asleepathewheel
Do you disagree with anything Obama's done or any of his positions, Oerdin? I wish he had been faster to denounce Wright, I dislike that he doesn't have much experience and wonder if he'll actually be able to get legislation passed if elected, and I both like and am fearful about how he seems to take attacks without responding. I mean part of his appeal is that he seems to rise above the normal pettiness of politics but not responding quickly to the charges of elitism or the claim that he was some how racist have hurt him and I wonder how well he'll be able to weather more such storms.

The solution in my mind is for him to get a strong VP, an attack dog if you will, who's an expert at navigating the treacherous waters of Washington. I honestly think this VP will have to be Hillary because if it is not then 1/3 of Democratic voters will be upset that she lost and will likely refuse to vote come Nov. A party unity ticket solves that problem and makes the strongest case come Nov.
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Old 05-05-2008, 07:16 PM   #11
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I do think Obama is the most principled candidate out of the three. I mean take the current gas tax holiday flap; both Hillary and McCain have said they think global climate change is real and is a big problem but both want to lower gas prices? How can you believe that human caused global warming is "the biggest threat to humanity today" (to quote Hillary) yet propose legislation which is likely to increase green house gas output? Those are contradictory positions and it sounds like blatant pandering to me. I really want someone who will actually solve problems instead of just offering the same short sighted pandering and Obama is the only one who has done that on this issue.
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Old 05-06-2008, 05:14 AM   #12
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Originally posted by Oerdin
I do think Obama is the most principled candidate out of the three. I mean take the current gas tax holiday flap; both Hillary and McCain have said they think global climate change is real and is a big problem but both want to lower gas prices? How can you believe that human caused global warming is "the biggest threat to humanity today" (to quote Hillary) yet propose legislation which is likely to increase green house gas output? Those are contradictory positions and it sounds like blatant pandering to me. I really want someone who will actually solve problems instead of just offering the same short sighted pandering and Obama is the only one who has done that on this issue.
Excellent point. Bleed consumers that have to drive to work. Promotion of hybrids and installation or improvement of public transportation makes sense.
You really only have to take bets on who the next VP for McCain will be. Obama and Hillary are slashing their own throats, and the other's with the other hand.
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:25 AM   #13
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Originally posted by SlowwHand



Excellent point. Bleed consumers that have to drive to work. Promotion of hybrids and installation or improvement of public transportation makes sense.
You really only have to take bets on who the next VP for McCain will be. Obama and Hillary are slashing their own throats, and the other's with the other hand. Bleed consumers? Have you paid any attention to the economists at all? The mount of correctly formulated summer blend gasoline available for this summer's driving is fixed and most of the demand is inelastic (meaning most people will drive the same amount though a few people will find ways to cut back) that means demand will continue to outstrip supply and the price will rise. Any tax reduction on gas will just result in an increase in demand further raising prices. BTW this isn't just a few economists who say this but literally EVERY economist; Hillary & McCain haven' found a single economist willing to endorse their scheme.

End of day scenario on the price of gas still goes higher, profits for producers goes up, and the national transportation budget loses it's primary funding source. We already literally have bridges falling down from neglect and lack of maintenance, we have a huge backlog of needed road repairs, and an even larger list of unfunded but required transportation projects but they want to dramaticly reduce funds for this? It's just not very smart economics especially since no price savings will be realized by consumers and neither Hillary or McCain will be President this summer.
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Old 05-07-2008, 04:34 AM   #14
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Yes, that is the 10,000 lb elephant in the room which no one wants to talk about. They're afraid that if they speak the obvious truth (that we need more and better mass transit) then the Republicans will go into attack mode claiming "elitist Democrats" are trying to take away your cars and force you on a smelly bus.
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:10 PM   #15
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Almost entirely though the Fed can influence decisions by offering to subsidize the construction or payment of mass transit. They have in the past but not to the level which needs to occur; mostly past politicians have just offered fig leaves instead of real comprehensive policy. If they really wanted to get tough then they tie Federal highway and education funds to states meeting targets for mass transit availability.
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